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Originally Posted by Want2retire
My grandmother, born in 1895, was pretty disgusted with Jerry Lee Lewis because his third "wife" was only 13 years old and his cousin, to boot. She considered him to be an admitted child rapist, forcing incest on her to boot (not to mention Satan in the flesh, I could go on). I was not allowed to play his music (even at home!), or to talk about him. Many times I had my ears and/or eyes covered by my relatives if there was a chance that I would even see his photo, hear his name, or (heaven forbid) hear his music. Many people felt that way back in the 1950's. But as time has passed, what we remember is his music...
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I tend to take a middle ground here. On one hand, I know how the death of a celebrity (and indeed, almost everyone in their usually puny sphere of influence) tends to accentuate the positive and gloss over the seamy underbelly.
But on the other hand, even where I think *relatively* minor relative character flaws relative to their overall body of work (see Steve McNair) can be somewhat de-emphasized, Jackson's transgressions and flaws were serious enough that even death shouldn't cause their whitewashing and sugar-coating.
I tend to separate art from behavior, and to me judgment of MJ the sometimes bizarre and possible criminally sick person doesn't mean invalidation of MJ the musician and entertainer.
Having said all that, I think it's a shame that so many other big names who were probably bigger people in terms of behavior and human decency are seeing their own normally notable passings almost being a footnote. And I am tired of the borderline deification of an extremely flawed man, as if the problems were minor like a shoplifting charge when someone was 14.
One of the funny things to me about your story is that you mention your grandmother was born in 1895, and back then it wasn't that unusual (particularly in areas where farming was important) for girls to marry by age 16 or even younger. As an avid amateur genealogist I've seen it repeatedly.
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07-06-2009, 06:11 PM
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I don't disagree with this at all. What I do disagree with is the circus atmosphere surrounding the aftermath of his death - and the fact it has dominated the "media" for two solid weeks as if he were someone really important. 
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I agree that it is now way over the top. And I've been largely ignoring it except for seeing the headlines online. 
My sense of all this is he was a product, not a person, and people continue to cash in on his passing. That is the saddest part of all.
I was pretty young when Elvis died, but I do remember the same type of hoopla going on. It is the nature of the business. 
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07-06-2009, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by REWahoo
I don't disagree with this at all. What I do disagree with is the circus atmosphere surrounding the aftermath of his death - and the fact it has dominated the "media" for two solid weeks as if he were someone really important.
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My question to you would be, why would you expect anything different?
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07-06-2009, 06:21 PM
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Michael Jackson's concerts always were difficult to get tickets to, but that's nothing compared to the pop star's memorial service.
On eBay, bids for tickets for Tuesday's event were reaching as high as $1,000 and $3,000, though it was impossible to verify the seriousness of those bids. Others on Monday were submitting offers more in the $100-$200 range.
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Buying opportunity? Selling opportunity? Ya gotta' love capitalism.
Tix to Jackson memorial being sold for thousands
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07-06-2009, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ziggy29
One of the funny things to me about your story is that you mention your grandmother was born in 1895, and back then it wasn't that unusual (particularly in areas where farming was important) for girls to marry by age 16 or even younger.
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Believe it or not, she married my grandfather and gave birth to my father when she was 14. I would point that out to her when she was so livid and furious about Jerry Lee Lewis. THAT didn't help my cause much! My parents would hush me and say that was different on a farm in the Ozarks so many years ago. My grandparents were happily married until the day my grandfather died, nearly 75 years later.
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07-06-2009, 06:28 PM
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I don't disagree with this at all. What I do disagree with is the circus atmosphere surrounding the aftermath of his death - and the fact it has dominated the "media" for two solid weeks as if he were someone really important.
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Well, ya got a point there.... 
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07-06-2009, 07:09 PM
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We all have our own opinions about him and every other subject that can be imagined. That's what this forum is all about. I've made a comment about him once before, but I'm going to add this last comment regarding Michael Jackson.....
It hurt my heart when he died.
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07-06-2009, 07:20 PM
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I don't disagree with this at all. What I do disagree with is the circus atmosphere surrounding the aftermath of his death - and the fact it has dominated the "media" for two solid weeks as if he were someone really important.
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You insensitive pig.  Ask and you shall receive. 
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07-06-2009, 07:52 PM
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I was very sad to hear of MJ's death. Even so, nothing will compare to what I felt when John Lennon died. The only celebrity I ever cried for. 
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07-06-2009, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bbbamI
It hurt my heart when he died.
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I'm not insensitive to the sadness of his death. I'm just sick of the over-the-top treatment and media overexposure in an attempt to profit from his demise.
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07-06-2009, 08:49 PM
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He probably was more important than Princess Diana and look at the coverage of her death. Slow news season, lots of air time to fill, and at least he was a symbol of success to a lot of the population, coming from Gary, Indiana as he did with no connections. So I can live with tbe coverage.
(I liked Shy Di and no offense to Diana's memory but she had the accidental fortune/misfortune of marrying a crown prince and then divorcing him--her later good works re AIDS and landmines were no more newsworthy than those of thousands of others and really, would she have done any of them had she not been the trophy bride in a position to do so?)
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07-06-2009, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by REWahoo
I'm not insensitive to the sadness of his death. I'm just sick of the over-the-top treatment and media overexposure in an attempt to profit from his demise.
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Imagine the three-ring hoopla erupting if it turned out that Elvis was really dead...
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07-06-2009, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by REWahoo
I'm not insensitive to the sadness of his death. I'm just sick of the over-the-top treatment and media overexposure in an attempt to profit from his demise.
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Ignore it. It really will go away. I just flip the channel or turn the page.
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07-07-2009, 09:44 AM
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07-07-2009, 10:14 AM
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07-07-2009, 10:36 AM
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Ignore it. It really will go away. I just flip the channel or turn the page.
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But if you live in No. Cal. within 500 miles of Stockton! It won't go away. Back in the old days (last year) when I visited Stockton, the talk was always about the heat, how many days has it been over 100 degrees. No more but my stump will go on....?
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07-07-2009, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Bestwifeever
He probably was more important than Princess Diana and look at the coverage of her death. Slow news season, lots of air time to fill, and at least he was a symbol of success to a lot of the population, coming from Gary, Indiana as he did with no connections. So I can live with tbe coverage.
(I liked Shy Di and no offense to Diana's memory but she had the accidental fortune/misfortune of marrying a crown prince and then divorcing him--her later good works re AIDS and landmines were no more newsworthy than those of thousands of others and really, would she have done any of them had she not been the trophy bride in a position to do so?)
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So, he gets a total pass on the last 15 years of his life, with the child molestation charges, etc? You have a big heart!
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07-07-2009, 10:47 AM
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So, he gets a total pass on the last 15 years of his life, with the child molestation charges, etc? You have a big heart!
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I said I can live with the coverage--I missed where I said the above, FD.
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07-07-2009, 10:50 AM
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I said I can live with the coverage--I missed where I said the above, FD.
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I guess I misunderstood, soory.........
I don't understand why he's more or less important than Princess Di. They both were celebrities.........
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07-07-2009, 11:05 AM
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I don't understand why he's more or less important than Princess Di. They both were celebrities.........
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How many Princess Di fans bought $7 billion dollars worth of anything she was selling?
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