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Old 10-28-2007, 05:20 PM   #41
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It frustrated the heck out of the Germans in WWII, and to some extent the Russians in the Cold War, how frequently American military commanders felt free to disregard their tactical publications whenever deemed necessary. After all, when you've gone to all that trouble to obtain the enemy's latest classified info and design your responses to counter their tactical guidance, you'd like to think that they're studying it too...
When I was a ground pounder my careerfield was one of Spetznaz's 10 most feared/hated because we were always goofing off somewhere, and not doing what we were supposed to be doing where we were supposed to be doing it. At least that was the rumor I heard.
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Old 10-28-2007, 08:00 PM   #42
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So...were you a loader, ammo, nuke specialist or what? What was your AFSC?
I was a Minuteman targeting team chief. Forgot my AFSC, blotted it out of my memory when I left SAC. I think it was 21XX something.
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Old 10-28-2007, 08:42 PM   #43
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Let see we have ordance loading, targeting, plus air, land, and sea delivery systems on the board.

I feel sorry for any kid who tries to hack this board

Oh and if you all want together and take out North Korea and/or Iran's nuke program, no complaints from me!
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Yeah, I think we're well armed.
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If I knew that a subject of a security investigation had used pain killers over an extended period I would mention that. If the use was appropriate the medical staff will confirm, if not the subject could have become addicted and vulnerable.
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:51 PM   #47
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When I was in college (soviet area studies) I had a roomate who told me that his brother worked for the CIA.

A few years out of college an investigator from Naval Intelligence came to see me at work asking about the guy who had supposedly applied to them. He said that he as worried because my friend had gone to summer studies in Poland and they had not been able to find anyone who knew him more than ?? years ago.

Seemed funny since I met his father one time and if his brother as already a spook I would have assumed he would be a shoe in.

On the other hand, I think that he had been rejected from his CIA application because he admitted to smoking pot. The sad thing was that he was the guy who only puffed a couple times in his life because he was at some party and it was the polite thing to do. I doubt he ever inhaled enough to even get a decent buzz.

He later hit me up to buy some Amway so I am guessing that he never got in, but I was too busy dodging the sales pitch that I forgot to ask.

On the other hand maybe he was a sleeper....
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Here's the ending.

The other shipmate e-mailed that he'd also been contacted by the investigator. He'd talked with her for a while about his experiences with our old boss and asked why they were doing the check.

It turns out that this wasn't a periodic reinvestigation, as I'd assumed and not inquired, but rather requested by the command this old boss was working at. He survived major life-threatening surgery several months back and the command is either trying to send him a hint or cover their collective asses. But otherwise the investigation seems to be a waste of time/effort/money, unless it's the only path they can find to permanently removing his clearances. It's hard to see how he's ever going to be able to resume anything resembling a "normal" life regain the abilities he had, let alone return to work.

This seems to have been one of the very rare times when my instinctive reaction was the right one. I wouldn't have added anything to the investigation, although the investigator received my message loud & clear.

Spouse's comment was "How much of the taxpayer's security-clearance & TRICARE dollars are being spent on this guy?" It's too late for his clearances, but he's probably grateful that the medical community doesn't collect shipmate votes on their cost-benefit decisions...
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Old 11-09-2007, 09:31 AM   #49
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The answer for the security clearance money is....not much. As much as people like to say it costs a lot, it really doesn't. I takes all of the investigators maybe two weeks worth of billable hours to complete the investigation, if there are a lot of issues to be resolved.
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He survived major life-threatening surgery several months back and the command is either trying to send him a hint or cover their collective asses. But otherwise the investigation seems to be a waste of time/effort/money, unless it's the only path they can find to permanently removing his clearances. It's hard to see how he's ever going to be able to resume anything resembling a "normal" life, let alone return to work.

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So, after the surgery, did he change his name from Carl to Carla, or what? No pun intended with the snipped quote, btw.

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No, sorry if my comments gave that impression, I'm afraid this was surgery for a multi-decade syndrome that's slowly killing him. (I don't care to give the details; he and his symptoms would be easily recognized among the veteran's & contractor's groups he's associated with.) I get the impression that he wasn't expected to be able to leave the hospital.

You know the old saying "I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy?" On one hand it's always sad to see what this does to the person and their family. OTOH he's such a miserable SOB and this has been going on for so many years that the end will be an unbelievably huge relief.
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Yes, it's about a "security clearance" not a "person clearance". You don't like someone, fine, but have you witnessed things that draw into question his commitment to national security, etc.? That's the question and should be the only question in your mind.

In my mind, it's part of my duty to my nation to answer the questions in that frame of mind. It's not personal, nor should it be.
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