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Re: Gripe: "Lost His Battle With Alcoholism"?
Old 12-05-2005, 09:37 AM   #21
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"Disease" is defined as:

1. A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.

2. A condition or tendency, as of society, regarded as abnormal and harmful.


Not all diseases can be detected by a blood test. Some are only detectable through observation of symptoms.

Not all diseases can be cured. Cancer is a major one that might or might be curable or even treatable in some cases.

Mental illness is real and can be caused by a variety of factors; genetic, environmental, trauma, other diseases, etc. Most do not have specific tests that would show up in the blood yet are certainly diseases. Some drugs can treat the symptoms but do not cure it.

So, are alcoholism, obesity, smoking, drug addiction and other such conditions diseases? IMHO, they fall into the definition #2 above, which appears to be the PC definition to cover these areas. I would agree that these addictions are not diseases in the traditional sence.

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Re: Gripe: "Lost His Battle With Alcoholism"?
Old 12-05-2005, 01:20 PM   #22
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"Disease" is defined as:

1. A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.

2. A condition or tendency, as of society, regarded as abnormal and harmful.

So, are alcoholism, obesity, smoking, drug addiction and other such conditions diseases?* IMHO, they fall into the definition #2 above, which appears to be the PC definition to cover these areas.* I would agree that these addictions are not diseases in the traditional sence.
Syndromes, whatever.

I think there's a strong genetic link to alcoholism, obesity, smoking, and drug addiction. Your body gets a thrill out of the experience that's all out of proportion to the rest of society.

Ancient Hawaiians were nearly wiped out by the onset of Western civilization. But now that we're all getting the same vaccines, they're still extraordinarily susceptible to obesity, diabetes, renal failure, and all the other symptoms of a real addiction to a high-fat high-salt diet. The same issue is sweeping through the Pacific Island nations. These are people who know how they are supposed to live & eat, just like the rest of the world, and the cognitive dissonance can't be stupidity. It's genetics & endorphins overriding intellect.
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Re: Gripe: "Lost His Battle With Alcoholism"?
Old 12-05-2005, 08:51 PM   #23
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Just griping on the concept. I think I've heard the name George Best but know not much else about him or his health/vice issues. I'm not picking on him.
Some education - George Best was arguably the best footballer the British Isles ever produced, some would say the* World. Pele agreed. He would certainly be in ANY top 5 list of greatest footballers ever. He came to prominence in the mid 1960's at the tedner age of 17, playing for Manchester United in their legendary European Cup winning side. His good looks and charm made him one of the first footballing "Superstars". He was dubbed "The Fifth Beatle" and certainly enjoyed the "Swinging Sixties" lifestyle. Despite that, he played for 11 years at the highest level for Manchester United, then a further 5 years at lower levels of the game, including a few seasons in the then fledgling American Soccer League, playing for San Jose Earthquakes, LA Aztecs and Fort Lauderdale.

He had liver failure a couple of years ago and had a liver transplant. he died recently of ongoing problems / complications from the liver. All directly resulting from life long drinking problem.

Over 25,000 people attending his funeral ceremony in Belfast NI with close to 400,000 lining the streets to pay their last respects as he was driven through the city to his resting place.

Every football match in Great Britain and a large number in Europe and elsewhere where delayed for a minutes silence on the weekend after his death, and were again delayed this weekend for a minutes tribute to him (basically a minutes cheering and applause to celebrate his life and contribution to football).

A few quotes on and from the man himself and a couple of pics.


I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.
Best on cash.

So George, where did it all go wrong?
The hotel bellboy who delivered champagne to Best's room and found him entertaining a scantily-clad Miss World on a bed covered with his winnings from the casino.

I've stopped drinking, but only while I'm asleep.
George Best provides some dark humour about his addiction.

I think I've found you a genius.
The telegram sent to Manchester United by talent scout Bob Bishop, who discovered a 15-year-old Best playing for Cregagh Boys' Club.

In 1969 I gave up women and alcohol - it was the worst 20 minutes of my life.
George Best - ever the joker.




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Old 12-05-2005, 08:56 PM   #24
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Re: Gripe: "Lost His Battle With Alcoholism"?

Great anecdotes, Honkie. I wish we had more like him today, willing to be who they are, rather than those who mouth the pious marketing oriented BS that is typical of athletes today.

Just one more proof that the world really is turning to crap.

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I seem to have posted the pics twice. Sorry

He lived life to the full, accepted his situation, tried to make the best of things. He neither hurt not blamed anyone for his problems. He was himself, nothing more or less.

Another quote from him:
"I went Missing quite often..........Miss World, Miss United Kingdom, Miss Canada, Miss Universe........."

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Great quotes.* I'm thinking perhaps he and Yogi shared the same family tree.
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Great anecdotes, Honkie. I wish we had more like him today, willing to be who they are, rather than those who mouth the pious marketing oriented BS that is typical of athletes today.

Just one more proof that the world really is turning to crap.

ha
HaHa - agreed. He was a real bloke, with real human problems and was never afraid to be himself, admit to them and say, Hey, this is me, I am not proud of my failings, but I am not ashamed ether."

Makes a refreshing change from the plastic, packaged, talentless non-entities who largely pass as "celebreties" these days.

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He was dubbed "The Fifth Beatle" ...
Hey, waitaminnit, I thought that was PETE Best...
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