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Old 12-28-2009, 10:44 PM   #21
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You really want a classical model. Much easier on the fingers. I would go to a local store and play different models. You can find a good something or other for $100. It won't get you into Carnegie Hall, but will travel well in the trunk of your car!
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Old 12-29-2009, 09:19 AM   #22
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You really want a classical model. Much easier on the fingers. I would go to a local store and play different models. You can find a good something or other for $100. It won't get you into Carnegie Hall, but will travel well in the trunk of your car!
When I was looking at guitars Janet reminded me of the tradeoff. The classical guitars have nylon strings but the necks are wider, which will require more muscle involvement to play. The steel string guitars have narrower necks, it may be harder to push down the strings but the narrower neck means less stretching.
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I equate buying your first guitar with buying your first adult-sized bicycle. Since both are passions of mine, do see the similarity. I'm constantly advising new cyclists not to buy the $69 Walmart special, and I'd also recommend them to stay away from $20 guitars as well.

Kudos to those who advise you to try Craigslist or other 2nd hand avenues. I know it can be a crap shoot for a beginner or non-player to make a judgement call on an instrument, especially when you don't have the foggiest notion as to what to look for. If you can drag along a guitar playing friend, so much better. He doesn't need the musical chops of Eric Johnson...the ability to finger a few chords and strum a bit will make it a lot easier than having you making the decision.

On a Craigslist used instrument, I'd put the starting level at around $100...$200-300 or so if you're buying new from a music store. You don't need a $2000 Taylor any more than a newbie cyclist needs a $3000 Trek. I did start out years ago with a $30 nylon string classical style instrument, and yes the fingerboard is a bit wider. That said, it also gives you a fractional bit more room for fingering a chord, even though the stretch to the 6th string is a bit more. I've graduated through Yamaha, Ovation, Martin, and Lowden, but I will say that the cheapest instrument didn't really discourage me at all. If you have the passion to learn, it will over-ride the instrument quality and you'll quickly find yourself upgrading anyway.
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May I avail myself to all your superior guitar playing talent?
Any alternatives to bar chords, without using a capo, i.e. for your F, Bb, Eb, etc?
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Any alternatives to bar chords, without using a capo, i.e. for your F, Bb, Eb, etc?
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There are many alternatives to barre chords. I would suggest picking up a chord dictionary or go here Chord Dictionary

You'll find many different voicing for any chord. Most of the time and depending on the tune or effect you want, voicing only 3-4 notes is plenty particularly if you are playing along with another guitar player, piano, or bass player. If there is a bass player you don't need to play the root notes, the bass player is doing that. You can focus on the color tones (3,5,7,9,11,13). You can leave the 5th out most of the time unless it is altered (b5 or #5). Hope that helps.
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Any alternatives to bar chords, without using a capo, i.e. for your F, Bb, Eb, etc?

There are many ways to play any given chord - here are a few ways to play the afore mentioned chords in the first position. They are all incomplete sounding - but will work in a pinch. really you shoudl bite the bullet and learn to play some barred chords - with time you'll get the hang of it.

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First post!!! I'll just throw out some food for thought. A good setup is often overlooked and can make a noticeable difference in the way a guitar plays. I've taken a few of my guitars to a guitar shop in town. They build custom guitars that costs thousands of dollars but they also do excellent setups / tuneups whatever you want to call them. I was really amazed at what they did with guitars that I was already pretty pleased with. $75 if I remember correctly.
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Janet: thanks for the info. Practicing my barres- in fact for some notes I prefer the barre to the alternative...!
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First post!!! I'll just throw out some food for thought. A good setup is often overlooked and can make a noticeable difference in the way a guitar plays. I've taken a few of my guitars to a guitar shop in town. They build custom guitars that costs thousands of dollars but they also do excellent setups / tuneups whatever you want to call them. I was really amazed at what they did with guitars that I was already pretty pleased with. $75 if I remember correctly.

I totally agree and have set up work done on my instruments as well. Welcome to the board BTW
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There are many alternatives to barre chords. I would suggest picking up a chord dictionary or go here Chord Dictionary

You'll find many different voicing for any chord. Most of the time and depending on the tune or effect you want, voicing only 3-4 notes is plenty particularly if you are playing along with another guitar player, piano, or bass player. If there is a bass player you don't need to play the root notes, the bass player is doing that. You can focus on the color tones (3,5,7,9,11,13). You can leave the 5th out most of the time unless it is altered (b5 or #5). Hope that helps.
Agreed! And for a different diversion for those times when you've run into a stale moment and seem to be making no progress, take a look at alternate tunings. Playing in DADGAD tuning is a nice change. Try some of the tips that you can find in either online instruction or via a DVD. The Homespun series with Artie Traum is a good starting point!
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There are several online chord charts available. This one is at a site that sells lessons - but the chord charts are free and laid out in an easy to find way. Free Guitar Chords & Chord Charts
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