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Never, neither of us has ever been laid off 47 40.17%
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Old 11-11-2008, 06:47 PM   #21
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kyounge1956- I was also a landscape architect. Grad of 1977, got a job amazingly 2 weeks after graduation (mostly civil eng.) Moved up to a big E/A firm and lost my job in 1993. Consulted for 4 years until the developer took me on part time, then full time. Retired 2006
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Old 11-11-2008, 07:48 PM   #22
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1983, 1984, 1985 I was just a few years out of college and always the low man on the seniority totem pole. Tough times, trying to get a career off the ground and make ends meet on unenjoyment. Did some contract work, bounced around the job market for a few months. At the time it was very frustrating, like a lot of 20-somethings, I had almost no savings, what seemed like big monthly bills, and no credit to speak of. I wanted to work, but didn't want to move. Eventually landed a good career track-position in Industrial Sales. Still with the company 23 years later. Looking back, It wasn't as bad as it seemed at the time.
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Old 11-11-2008, 08:13 PM   #23
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yes once in 1991, on a Friday, got a call from the competitor on Monday and was hired. Lost my job at the end of '03 and was out of work all of '04 and part of '05...It was the longest break I've had in almost 30 years, and I loved it! Didn't really look for work..now back to working for a large company close by... I'm a Technology worker.
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In technology, it's kind of common.

1983 narrowly missed one. Left a company for a new job and 2 weeks later my entire division (about 100 people) was laid off.

1986 1987 narrowly missed two more. Company cut about half the people but not my half. Then later eliminated everyone on a product line (not my product line). The layoffs continued after I left.

1990 1991 1992 (finally got me. three times with one company!) worked for the same company and it laid off the small (10 people) staff in my city three times, but gave us generous notice and promised to try to re-hire us if we kept working. Twice I stayed and got re-hired. The third time, I found a new job before they re-hired us. That lasted about a year before they went out of business altogether.

1995 Big Company (1000's of tech employees) had three layoffs in 12 months. We would come in to work and all computer access would be turned off. About noon they would announce the layoff and by 2PM everyone affected would be escorted out and they would turn computers on again. What a horrible way to do it. I left for a new job before I got laid off, but only a month after I left my old division was eliminated from the VP down. Only 1 guy (the Senior VP) remained employed.

1998 Company was sold and my product was eliminated. Laid off as an employee but stayed on for a year as a contractor working on the "eliminated" product. Pay was much better as a contractor but that job was time limited.

2000 company laid off all techncial people in my location. Job market was bad and I settled for a new job at considerably lower pay. Some colleagues went 2+ years without work.

2004 Company had 14 layoffs in 4 years, but I wasn't part of any of them. Six months after I left (fearing they would eventially get around to me, too) they closed the local office entirely but offered about half the folks jobs 1500 miles away.

2007 Company laid off 20%, but again I wasn't included.
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1975 - laid off from job as night shift QC manager in a metal working plant owned by a company downsizing and which, in fact, ceased to exist within two years. It was a good paying job in a union plant. My son was six weeks old. Bummer. Found another, but lower paying, job six weeks later.

1979 - laid off from a job as night shift litho dept supervisor at another metal working plant when the owners decided to close after a prolonged strike. Decided to change industries.

2006 - laid off after 27 yrs at an electronics/telecom company. Nice severance package. Collected unemployment benefits for six months. FIRE'd!

A question to the group...... If my portfolio drops another 30% - 40% and I decide I need to go back to work, will that count as being laid off from being FIRE'd? Or will that be getting fired from being FIRE'd?
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A question to the group...... If my portfolio drops another 30% - 40% and I decide I need to go back to work, will that count as being laid off from being FIRE'd? Or will that be getting fired from being FIRE'd?
I think that will mean going up in smoke..........
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I guess I was really unlucky or a terrible worker, not sure which.
Was laid off from Electrical Union in late '60s, Large telecom company early '70s, Mega-Corp (telecom division) early '80s, Mid-size telecom late '80s, and once from Mega-Corp IT services in late '90s, after which I was rehired two days later into different division - same company and subsequently RE 2007. Longest time off was 3 months in early '80s but due to severance, actually turned out to be 2 weeks on non-pay. Never was able to draw unemployment due to finding a replacement job before became eligible. Without exception I can state that every single time I came out better for it, with ultimately a better career move, and more money. There are silver linings on those dark clouds. At least that's the way it worked out for me.
Oh, and those lay offs don't include the ones in my younger days when I was doing crap jobs, and not really trying. Statement above held true for them as well.
Guess I was just a really bad worker or something.
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I have never been laid off... but I have change jobs over my career several times. I left one company about a year or two before they were purchased... If had still been there when they sold out... I would have lost my job.
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I got laid off in Houston in 1973. I decided to move back to Chicago where I was still enrolled on the substitute teacher rolls and the school janitor rolls so I didn't even have to do a job search. I liked staying on those rolls while I bummed around scuba diving and periodically working - it enabled me to look stable on my resume
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Dad was laid off from Aerojet in the 70's...I barely remember that...
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I've been trying to lay myself off for a few years with no success. Maybe if I sell my business to someone else, they can lay me off.

I haven't collected one penny of government money in my life. My guess is I'll have to wait until I'm 62 when I start collecting social security.
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Do you consider a froced retirement a lay off? example: most military officer 04 may retire at 20 but if he does not make 05 must retire at 22. I would say he is laid off. This might change some of you answers.
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Eight or nine times, maybe more... It's hard to remember the 70s...

Twice by three different companies...
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My spouse worked on Great Lakes ore carriers. He would get laid off each year at the end of the season.
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Do you consider a froced retirement a lay off? example: most military officer 04 may retire at 20 but if he does not make 05 must retire at 22. I would say he is laid off. This might change some of you answers.
I don't remember the details, but I remember there being significant concern that we had to file for retirement (effective as of the mandatory date) or risk being "fired" with separation pay. It was probably an urban legend buried in Title X legislation and the post-DESERT STORM drawdowns, but I wasn't going to test the system.

I filed for retirement about five minutes into the one-year window. The week before terminal leave, when we were told that my relief wouldn't show up for at least another six months, my XO offered to ask that I be granted a two-year extension. IIRC that required the assignment officer to literally submit a request to Congress, but by then the submarine force was realizing that they'd cut a bit too deeply and they were desperate. I choked out an apology, got off the phone, sat around for five minutes laughing, and finally calmed down enough to thank him for the offer... but no thanks!

So technically I FIRE'd before I was fired retired.
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I left Seattle in 1973 and those signs were still up. I remember a seeing a billboard sized one on Pacific Highway as I was driving out of town. BTW, my dad was also working on the SST when it was canceled
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I've never been laid off, however my husband has been a few times.

The first was back in 91, however this was a stroke of good luck as he had been planning on resigning to take a year off and travel around Europe. So he managed to get a handy severance for that layoff.

He has also been let go a couple of times as a consultant. However, he has been fortunate in that he is very good with people so normally once someone finds he is available he has been able to get a new position without having to interview. It's the old who you know not what you know in his industry.
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I've never been laid off (or fired - small case)

Oh, that's good news.

No, that's bad news. My Co. felt free to insist I take any assignment. Even one for which I had no schooling, training, aptitude or interest - and be graded against those who had all the above.

Oh, that's bad news.

No, that's good news. That's when I decided I would retire as soon as I possibly could.

Oh, that's good news.

No that's bad news. Once I actually settled into the new job and decided to make it work so I could become FI, they put me in a job I not only was good at but liked - and I decided to stay.

Oh, that is bad news.

No, that's good news 'cause the same company then felt justified in pulling the fun job out from under me and giving me an even worse assignment than the original "bad" assinment. (we can do that 'cause we don't do layoffs!)

Wait. That sounds like bad news.

No, that's good news 'cause by then I was FI and the next week I was FIRE'd



Only wish this story could have happened sooner (especially the FI part). Once you're FI, the rest is good news.
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I've never been laid off (or fired - small case)
Oh, that's good news.
No, that's bad news. My Co. felt free to insist I take any assignment. Even one for which I had no schooling, training, aptitude or interest - and be graded against those who had all the above.
Oh, that's bad news.
No, that's good news. That's when I decided I would retire as soon as I possibly could.
Oh, that's good news.
No that's bad news. Once I actually settled into the new job and decided to make it work so I could become FI, they put me in a job I not only was good at but liked - and I decided to stay.
Oh, that is bad news.
No, that's good news 'cause the same company then felt justified in pulling the fun job out from under me and giving me an even worse assignment than the original "bad" assinment. (we can do that 'cause we don't do layoffs!)
Wait. That sounds like bad news.
No, that's good news 'cause by then I was FI and the next week I was FIRE'd

Only wish this story could have happened sooner (especially the FI part). Once you're FI, the rest is good news.
what an excellent post. i think you captured the craziness that all w*rkplaces have.
in my case, the dreaded "other duties as assigned" in my j*b description rapidly became nightmares. all because i wouldn't sign off on things i knew were wrong and very close to illegal.
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