Hillary won -- But can she win (the nomination)
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As a Canadian i'm wondering what Obama has ever done to merit such a huge following?.He seems to go on and on about change and for now its just rhetoric but change is a double edged sword and doesnt always turn out to be for the better
Any Obama supporters want to fill me in on why the hype.
Any Obama supporters want to fill me in on why the hype.
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IF they both stay in and EITHER took EVERY remaining Delegate NEITHER could win a clean NUMERICAL Nomination. Remember FL and MI delegates have been disenfranchised by the DEMOCRAT PARTY. The news and number fight (and look for it to get real personal) will continue UNTIL the convention and then the REAL fight will begin.
He didn't get us into Iraq.
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No one knows the answer to what he would have done on Iraq.
Many believe that if he were a senator at the time the vote was taken he would have voted for the war (most dems did).
IMO - The election is a bit less about what the candidate didn't do. And not about what they say they want to do. But about what they might actually be able to accomplish.
Obama is going to get roasted soon. He has gotten a pass over the last several months by the press and the Republican's.
Now that the RNC will have a candidate, they will turn their full attention to the dem front-runner.
The RNC dirt/smear machine will kick into high gear. Plus his comments and programs will be analyzed, picked apart and discredited.
Hillary had it right when she said she had already been vetted. It is not very likely that any new revelations will surface (just a rehash of old stuff). This is a different story for Obama. He is much more vulnerable.
His latest NAFTA misstep shows him as being disingenuous to one of the groups he openly courted and made promises to. That will come back to haunt him. There are too many dems and independents that will not give him the benefit of the doubt.
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He is a blank canvas that people project what they want upon him.
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First... I am a repub (mostly)...
I voted for Obama....
Because I want.... 'anybody but Clinton'
So if McCain does not win, at least SHE did not.... and I do not think she would be that bad... but I could NOT stand to see her husband in the White House again...
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I sure hope people are not voting for him because of Oprah. To me, it kind of reminds me of the Jimmy Carter effect. He came out of nowhere and was just an alternative to the 'establishment'.
Looks like Clinton and Obama will both be on the ticket. Just a matter of which is the lead dog.
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There are a lot of people who, even if they didn't drink the Obama Kool-Aid, simply can't stand the Clintons. And more than a few of them are Democrats.
If Clinton steals this election from Obama with superdelegates or a new vote in Florida, it would be interesting to see how the Clintonites who screamed about 2000's "stolen election" will act here. Will they be consistent (and disgusted) or will they create some spin to explain why "it's different" this time?
And yes, I do expect Clinton to win this one way or another, even with fewer ordinary delegates than Obama -- despite her past calls to abandon the Electoral College because it violates one person/one vote fairness.
If Clinton steals this election from Obama with superdelegates or a new vote in Florida, it would be interesting to see how the Clintonites who screamed about 2000's "stolen election" will act here. Will they be consistent (and disgusted) or will they create some spin to explain why "it's different" this time?
And yes, I do expect Clinton to win this one way or another, even with fewer ordinary delegates than Obama -- despite her past calls to abandon the Electoral College because it violates one person/one vote fairness.
No, but everyone knows what Clinton and McCain did do on Iraq.
Throw the bums out, let some new bums have a shot.
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Not to mention that there are a fair number of Republicans who are not deeply enchanted by John McCain or the Republican Party in general lately, and may consider crossing over - - but also can't stand the Clintons.
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That, too. I've seen a fair number of "Republicans for Obama" largely for that reason. But what do they do in a Clinton/McCain matchup? They either hold their nose and vote for McCain, they vote third party, or they stay home. No way in h-e-double-hockey-sticks do they vote for Clinton.
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As someone who might fit into this category, I guess I'll make up my mind at the last minute under those circumstances. Probably would decide along the lines you are suggesting in a Clinton/McCain matchup, but I really won't know until election day.
Seems like a very long time since the American people felt they had a choice between two great candidates for President.
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Woo wOo Hillary has some spunk! 
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Anybody but Clinton.
Obama did well because he could pull in independents and Republicans with a unity message.
Clinton is divisive and duplicitous.
She is not acceptable to me on any ticket, Pres or VP
If McCain picks anyone but Huckabee for his VP, he's won the November election.
Obama did well because he could pull in independents and Republicans with a unity message.
Clinton is divisive and duplicitous.
She is not acceptable to me on any ticket, Pres or VP
If McCain picks anyone but Huckabee for his VP, he's won the November election.
A new vote in Florida would presumably be a fair contest, the people of Florida deserve to have their votes count, so I don't see how this would be stealing. Anyway, even if she won it with a 2-1 margin, she would only net 60 delegates there, so that's not enough for her to catch up in the delegate count after her weak showing last night.
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Seems to me all of them are cut from the same cloth...
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True, but all of them as least were governors, right??
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From what i can see, they did nothing but follow the will
of their constituency. Your post sort of implies otherwise
(apologies if i misread this)
in any case, perhaps that's what precisely
what makes them deserving of the "bum" moniker ...
is there a reason to believe why obama would
have done otherwise?
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