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Old 06-27-2014, 02:55 PM   #21
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2800sf house on 1 acre in NY state, 2 adults:

All are ANNUAL

Electricity = $1320 (it rarely gets hot enough for AC in the summer)
Water/sewer = $432
garbage pick up service = $1400
gas=$360
oil/fuel = $3670 (heating in the winter is SOOO expensive and winters are long here!)
propane (for the pool) =$3450 (only use the pool in the summer)
Cable/internet/landline = $2250 ($187/m - really would like to reduce this)
Wow.
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Old 06-27-2014, 03:07 PM   #22
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Propane for the pool (summer) - $3450? I thought pools were used to cool you off, not heat you up.
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Old 06-27-2014, 03:26 PM   #23
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For those of you who live in the North that requires heating, what are your heating bills like in the winter months? It is so ridiculously expensive here (I think is about $4.20/gallon or something like that?). We are only 2 persons living in the house, and we close 1/2 of the house (guest bedrooms) in the winter (but do keep it at 55F so pipes won't freeze). But still, in the winter we easily spend $800/month on heating, and the heating season up here lasts for a good 6 months/yr!
What do you do to lower your heating bills?
I have two heating systems, as well as a/c. The sq. ft. is around 3500. We have gas heat, as well as hot water. So some of the gas cost is hot water and washing. In NJ, the gas for heating costs maybe $300 per month.

When we first moved in, it was ridiculous that first winter. I think we had a $600 gas bill for December 1996, our first winter. This is what I've done over the years.
1) Replace all aluminum sliders with vinyl double pane vinyl sliders.
2) Replace thermostats with programmable.
3) Install ceiling fans.
4) Install insulation in crawl space.
5) Insulate basement wall cavity.
6) New 8' slider to deck.
7) New entry doors.
8) New garage doors.
9) Blow-in insulation in attic.

It sounds like your house is very old, with little insulation in walls. And oil heat costs more than gas. Call your energy company. You can probably get an audit at little or no cost.
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Propane for the pool (summer) - $3450? I thought pools were used to cool you off, not heat you up.
Up north where we are, pool water rarely gets above 75 degrees, so pool heaters are widely used here.
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Up north where we are, pool water rarely gets above 75 degrees, so pool heaters are widely used here.
Still not making sense to me. Why have a pool to use in the summer if you have to heat it. I can see a pool heater in the cooler months up north.

As an aside, the waters in the beaches in Galveston Gulf here in Texas get in the low 80's F in the summer. Most people won't go in the water when it gets that warm.
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1,100 sqft apartment in San Francisco (monthly averages):

$100 for electric (no A/C, and we almost never use the heater)
$95 for water and sewer (we have no control over this, it is based on the consumption of the entire building)
$24 for trash collection
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2400 sqft house in MN.

Gas & electric $142/mo
Water $35
Trash $25

So about $202/mo total

ER1970 we replaced our old furnace with a heat pump. We replaced all door and windows with more efficient ones. That has saved us about $50 per month in heating/cooling. The standby furnace generally runs only December - mid-February with the heat pump handling the rest. Prior to those changes, just gas and electric were $200/mo.
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