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Old 03-27-2007, 05:55 PM   #21
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After the last 6 years, If I were you, I'd look for a big rock to hide under.

I'm with OKLibrarian - It's mostly about Social Justice.

And since I am a Sportsman, I like to protect the environment to keep fish and Wildlife thriving and plenty of public lands to keep the sport open to the masses instead of the privleged few.
Why I made plenty of money during this administration didnt you?
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Re: how did you happen to affiliate with your political party?
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They sure can!

- And most often they help the political party that is farthest from their beliefs! - Ask the Ralph Nader supporters in the 2000 election what they think of the latest 2 Supreme Court Justices that they helped appoint!
Sure, that can and does happen, but I don't think it is a given.

IMO, Ross Perot forced the R's and D's into a more substantive debate at least.

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That sounds very naive to me.

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I can tell you've never taken Poly Sci 101 - Third parties are ineffective in countries that decide elections based on plurality such as the U.S. - They are only effective in countries like France where elections are decided based on Majority Vote.

In the U.S. a third party will only help a party that is farthest from its beliefs as it splits the vote of the supporters and hands the election to opposition.

Naive it may be, but that is Political Science 101
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I find this easy to believe. Some Democrat ideas are attractive; but I feel deeply that they would certainly screw it up in the execution so I don’t think I could bring myself to vote for one of them. This is so even when, as recently, the opposition ran a chimpanzee.

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I can tell you've never taken Poly Sci 101 - Third parties are ineffective in countries that decide elections based on plurality such as the U.S. - They are only effective in countries like France where elections are decided based on Majority Vote.

In the U.S. a third party will only help a party that is farthest from its beliefs as it splits the vote of the supporters and hands the election to opposition.

Naive it may be, but that is Political Science 101
My 'naive' comment was not directed to third parties being ineffective or not.

My 'naive' comment was directed to your statement:

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How can I vote and implement my beliefs when neither party represents my beliefs? Does Poly Sci 101 have an answer to that?

I guess it is find a third party that is 180 to your beliefs, and support them. Hey, sometimes the end justifies the means...

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In the U.S. a third party will only help a party that is farthest from its beliefs as it splits the vote of the supporters and hands the election to opposition.
For sure, this is true when the third party is to the left (or right) of the main parties. (I guess that was implicit in your use of the word "farthest"). However, it's not necessarily true if the third party is in the center of the other two (e.g. Lieberman in CT last year).
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For sure, this is true when the third party is to the left (or right) of the main parties. (I guess that was implicit in your use of the word "farthest"). However, it's not necessarily true if the third party is in the center of the other two (e.g. Lieberman in CT last year).
A lot of folks think that Perot was in the center of Bush and Clinton as well. Perot was Pro-Choice and many think he stole as many votes from Clinton as Bush.

Being in the exact Center is tough to do and with limited campaign funds it makes it even harder. You have to be a Billionarie like Perot and even then it's an uphill battle.

With Nadar however, he was clearly to the left of Gore - I mean if you're the Green Party and you don't think that Al Gore will further Environmental concerns and you need another candidate.

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How can I vote and implement my beliefs when neither party represents my beliefs? Does Poly Sci 101 have an answer to that?

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One party will represent your beliefs more than the other party. Very few folks get what they want. Even members of Congress vote for bills that have items in them that they don't agree with.

It's called compromise. The country slowly changes. What chance do you think that Strom Thurmond's "Segregationist Party" would have today? - I am sure that some folks still harbor those views.
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Splitting the ticket is the way I see it. For example, despite being raised in a family where voting Democratic was done with religious zeal, I couldn't stand Johnson's Viet Nam policy. I supported the local Dems in Chicago but said no to Nam.

Marching in total conformist lockstep to party dictates isn't always the way to go.
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One party will represent your beliefs more than the other party.
They are both so far from my beliefs, I'm not sure I could decide which represents them best. It used to be the Repubs, by a small margin. Now, for me it's like choosing a poison.

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Sure they do. They get some pork thrown in so they tell their constituents what a great job they are doing for them, and vote away.

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They are both so far from my beliefs, I'm not sure I could decide which represents them best. It used to be the Repubs, by a small margin. Now, for me it's like choosing a poison.

Sure they do. They get some pork thrown in so they tell their constituents what a great job they are doing for them, and vote away.

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So, if your views are so outside of the major political views in this country, why would you think you even have a chance of being represented? So, vote for a third party or write yourself in! - either way your vote will be a waste, as politics in this country is about compromise.

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The recent Congressional bill that Nancy P. is so proud of and that Bush has sworn to veto is loaded with pork---over 3,000 pages worth including 100 million for the two political conventions.

I can't justify to myself voting for either party. I am hoping that more Americans get tired of flip floping between Dems and Rep and start looking at other parties --- if for no other reason than to send a message.
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Raised among hippies as a flaming left-wing libertarian. Question Authority, keep government out
of one's private life, and all that. Hold my nose and vote Democrat just so the vote isn't wasted, but
not usually happy with the outcome no matter who wins. (And as long as any Republican who attended
the hateful 1992 Republican National Convention is still alive, I could never in conscience vote for a Republican.)

A fiscal conservative with respect for human and civil rights would be ideal, but such a creature doesn't seem to
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Ever since Tarquin Fin-tim-lin-bin-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Olé-Biscuitbarrel won in Luton, I have voted for the Silly Party.
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politics in this country is about compromise.
Compromise is good if it means intelligent discussion, meeting of the minds and working out a solution that provides something good for many rather than something perfect for a few.

If it means - you sign my bill with my pork in it and I'll sign your bill with your pork in it, - well, I'd rather not play that game.

janeeyre gave an example - so a potentially bad bill should be passed in the name of 'compromise'?

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So, if your views are so outside of the major political views in this country, why would you think you even have a chance of being represented?
I didn't say my views are outside of the major political views in this country, I said the major political *parties* do not represent my views.

I don't have a link to a survey, but I would not be surprised to find that the majority of people think the major political parties do not represent their views. It might explain the low voter turn out numbers.

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So, vote for a third party or write yourself in! - either way your vote will be a waste....
I don't buy the 'your vote is a waste' argument. I could say that about anyone that votes in a non-swing state. Should all the minority party people in those states just stay home on election day?

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So, if your views are so outside of the major political views in this country, why would you think you even have a chance of being represented? So, vote for a third party or write yourself in! - either way your vote will be a waste, as politics in this country is about compromise.

Have you ever compromised? Ever??
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Ever since Tarquin Fin-tim-lin-bin-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Olé-Biscuitbarrel won in Luton, I have voted for the Silly Party.
Don't tempt me. :-)
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