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Old 07-01-2008, 02:04 PM   #21
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Funny story. If I fly to my parents, the closest I can get is an hour away and that includes a 6 hour layover in Chicago. Total travel time, 12 hours.

If I drive, 13 hours

Or, I fly to Chicago and rent a car to drive the rest. total time, 5 hours.

You know FinanceDude, you might have a point. If an airline catered only to business travellers, I bet they could get by with a significantly smaller flight staff since they could probably black out certain days (wed-thurs for instance) and cater just to the fly-in Sunday / fly-out Friday crowd.
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Funny story. If I fly to my parents, the closest I can get is an hour away and that includes a 6 hour layover in Chicago. Total travel time, 12 hours.

If I drive, 13 hours

Or, I fly to Chicago and rent a car to drive the rest. total time, 5 hours.

You know FinanceDude, you might have a point. If an airline catered only to business travellers, I bet they could get by with a significantly smaller flight staff since they could probably black out certain days (wed-thurs for instance) and cater just to the fly-in Sunday / fly-out Friday crowd.
Lay-overs are a killer. I like to fly non-stop with my littler kids (8 and 6). However, I would rather drive than have two stops and have 3 hours in layover.
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We just did a fly thru PHX yesterday and what a mess. Good luck getting from one place or another on time. Had to spend a night at a hotel. The plane was broken, yes broken that is what we were told after a 3 hour wait. Then sorry good luck finding a person helpful. Us air what a terrible company.

We are still trying to get back east. Two flights today have been cancelled. Glad I have my laptop and a wifi connection. As we sit and wait.
That sucks. I flew US Air to Phoenix and back and had GREAT service. Wonder what happened? I suppose maintenance along with everything else is being cut these days.........

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So the price of airfare from DFW to Orlando doubles - well so has the price of gas to drive there. (you still can't drive from DFW to Hawaii)
As a father of three kids, though, any price increases associated with flying have quadruple the effect on my bottom line.

Later this month, I'm taking my kids on a driving trip to visit my sister the next state over.

In September, I'm flying solo to the East Coast to visit my other sister using some credit card reward points to pay for the ticket.

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My aunt and uncle drove up from South Carolina to see me this past week. Air fare would have been almost $1000 for the two of them. He made it up to my house on $120 worth of gas so he was happy. it took him 15 hours, the airline would have been two hours.
Does the 'airline time' include getting to and from the airport, and time before boarding?
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Does the 'airline time' include getting to and from the airport, and time before boarding?
It does (in spades) when you are travelling with small children.

For us, air travel happens to basically two destinations: visiting DW's family and the "go find the sun for a week" mid-winter getaway. The former is not negotiable, so I imagine we will just shell out. For the latter, I might seriously entertain the idea of a driving trip down to GA, FL, etc.
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It does (in spades) when you are travelling with small children.

For us, air travel happens to basically two destinations: visiting DW's family and the "go find the sun for a week" mid-winter getaway. The former is not negotiable, so I imagine we will just shell out. For the latter, I might seriously entertain the idea of a driving trip down to GA, FL, etc.
Think of the "fun"you'll have in the car. It has been my experience that between the TSA lines, ticketing, gate waiting, taxiing, waiting for other aircraft, etc, you can effectively DOUBLE the FLIGHT time, along with adding time for layovers..............
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The Travel Channel aired a program last night about the sorry state of the airlines. A talking head on the program stated that the airlines' fleets were not capable of flying profitably at $50 oil, let alone $140+. Of course, when you're bleeding cash by the billions, it's hard to upgrade your fleet.

The good news, though, is that after several fiascos, culminating in the infamous ten-hour stay on the tarmac by a Jet Blue flight, Jet Blue instituted a "Passenger Bill of Rights", wherein it is written, on whatever it is that they write it on up there, that any further incidents that exceed four hours will result in some remedial action...

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The Travel Channel aired a program last night about the sorry state of the airlines. A talking head on the program stated that the airlines' fleets were not capable of flying profitably at $50 oil, let alone $140+. Of course, when you're bleeding cash by the billions, it's hard to upgrade your fleet.

The good news, though, is that after several fiascos, culminating in the infamous ten-hour stay on the tarmac by a Jet Blue flight, Jet Blue instituted a "Passenger Bill of Rights", wherein it is written, on whatever it is that they write it on up there, that any further incidents that exceed four hours will result in some remedial action...

BFD...
years ago, I read something that stated for every 5 cents jet fuel goes up, it's annualized cost to the airline industry was $1 billion.........yikes!!!!
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That sucks. I flew US Air to Phoenix and back and had GREAT service. Wonder what happened? I suppose maintenance along with everything else is being cut these days.........

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yesterday when we flew into PHX the CRJ jet we flew had the most disgusting rest room I have ever seen on a plane. I had seat 14 right next to the awful smell. 2 hours next to it full plane could not move plus ever fly a canada air jet the 100 model?? Small baby small. Mesa Air runs these for usair express.

Anyway it turns out that the same flight I took on that plane yesterday was cancelled today due to maintence issues. Heck there were not enough guys on the tarmac to get the stairs to get off the plane.
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Think of the "fun"you'll have in the car.
Indeed. We have a 3+ hour drive coming up in a few weeks to go to a music festival. I suspect we will be stopping at least twice for potty/boredom breaks. These are a lot easier when all you have to do is find a place to park and walk the kids back to the trailer (with kitchen, bathroom, toys, etc. inside).
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But, in this economy, think of the money you'll save on your new house!
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With the fact that air travel is really starting to suck, think we should start shorting Time share stocks? What used to be a $350 RT to Cabo for us is now almost $700. In addition the connections are terrible. Used to be able to leave GEG at 0700 and get into SJD by 1330. Last time I looked for fares it was depart at 0700 and arrive a 1930. Unless we overnight at LAX we get to drive to the condo in the dark . For those who have had that adventure of driving in Mexico at night you can relate. It can be fun
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I sure can't complain about being stuck in Hawaii. But I do hope that Nords borrowed a nuclear reactor from one of his subs and is planning on installing in a boat, so I can afford to leave here every once in a while.
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I think there might be a big dose of BS in the spin that it is all down to rising fuel costs. How come I can fly from San Diego to Honolulu for $829 for a 5 hour flight, yet Honolulu to Sydney is only $1200 for a 10 hour flight. I would think the international flight would use a lot more fuel and the costs of accommodating staff at a foreign location would add in mucho dinero. I sense the airlines are seeing this as a good opportunity to push the baseline prices up, and no matter what happens to fuel prices we will be lucky to see them return to previous levels.
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We just did a fly thru PHX yesterday and what a mess. Good luck getting from one place or another on time. Had to spend a night at a hotel. The plane was broken, yes broken that is what we were told after a 3 hour wait. Then sorry good luck finding a person helpful. Us air what a terrible company.

We are still trying to get back east. Two flights today have been cancelled. Glad I have my laptop and a wifi connection. As we sit and wait.
Ya stuff happens. Ive been fairly lucky and have avoided too much trouble. Ive heard the horror stories.
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I agree, despite the recent increases, the prices are still within our range as well. The day we can't afford to fly anymore on our income, then airplanes are going to be awfully empty. But it's getting to the point where I don't feel I am getting enough value from air travel. Plus I am getting tired to be nickel and dimed by the airlines (what's next? in case of an emergency please purchase your flotation device from the flight attendant for the modest price of $5?). Flying used to be a no brainer for us, but I think that on short to medium trips driving has become a much better value. So to answer the OP's question, airfares (at least on some routes) have already gone too high as far as I am concerned.
I understand. However for us flying from California all the way to the east coast the price is worth it. Especially when you only have 2 to 3 weeks off. Since driving across country in the middle of the winter might take a decent amount of time both ways We choose to pay the piper.
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I understand. However for us flying from California all the way to the east coast the price is worth it. Especially when you only have 2 to 3 weeks off. Since driving across country in the middle of the winter might take a decent amount of time both ways We choose to pay the piper.
Yeah I know, we are going to a wedding in San Francisco next year and we'll be paying the piper too, it's just too much driving from AL. But we used to fly from AL to NC, IN and FL. I think given how much airfares have increased we'd probably consider driving now.
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