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Old 01-13-2005, 04:24 PM   #21
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Hi Spanky! Assuming your Nortel story is accurate
(I have no reason to doubt it), I think this is perfectly
acceptable. It may be unfair, immoral, discourteous,
mean, deliberately cruel, etc. All of that is preferable
to having a law preventing Nortel from doing it.
I wouldn't worry about her, if she can't afford the insurance , she can always go on medicaid and have the government (you and I) pick up her medical care. That is of course for those of us that pay a decent amount of tax.

Of course, if there was no medicaid, then I guess she would be is out of luck and would have to depend on good will of her follow (wo)man.

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Re: How to get the most $ when leaving the co.?
Old 01-13-2005, 04:37 PM   #22
 
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Nothing wrong with being helpful, kind, courteous, etc.
It's when it is forced by law that I must take exception.

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Old 01-13-2005, 06:15 PM   #23
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I wouldn't worry about her, if she can't afford the insurance , she can always go on medicaid and have the government (you and I) pick up her medical care.
There is no way this woman would qualify for Medicaid! The idea that there's a big safety net out there that would help someone like this is a myth propagated by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Armstrong Williams, and their ilk.

Based on the info Spanky provided, it appears this employer is a consummate sleaze-bag who held out the promise of access to health care for retirees who reach a certain age, in order to keep valuable employees. Rather than be honest and above board, they resort to dishonesty, manipulation, and subterfuge in an effort to screw their employees. It's lying, sneaky, weasels like these who create the Enrons and Tycos of the world. I hope Spanky's friend finds a very good trial lawyer, and I hope that lawyer finds a way to bury Nortel. I'd love to be on that jury. In other words, I don't see Nortel's behavior as "perfectly acceptable". Lying, cheating, and stealing is never acceptable. A complete lack of ethical standards leads to chaos.
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I am with Nortel, probably because I almost always prefer corporate interests over the government, or whining employees (Oh, poor me!). Also, I never
worked for a big corp. in my life. Spent the whole time in
small business or very small business. I do agree that
"a complete lack of ethical standards leads to chaos".
Ethical standards are pretty much gone everywhere
and chaos will result eventually. There was a time when duels were fought over nothing more than
someone's honor.
Anyway..................I have great sympathy for the Enrons,
Tycos and Martha Stewarts of this world. They played
the same game as uncounted others and were
singled out for retribution. These examples are not even the tip of the tip of an enourmous iceberg.

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Old 01-14-2005, 04:27 AM   #25
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I wouldn't worry about her, if she can't afford the insurance , she can always go on medicaid and have the government (you and I) pick up her medical care. That is of course for those of us that pay a decent amount of tax.

Of course, if there was no medicaid, then I guess she would be is out of luck and would have to depend on good will of her follow (wo)man.

MJ :-/

As Bob said, there is no medicaid for this woman. This is an example of the kind of mis-information that always seems to be floating around out there on healthcare. For goodness sake, can't we spend some of our country's wealth on basic healthcare for all? I am already paying high taxes, but would be willing to pay more for basic healthcare for all.
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Old 01-14-2005, 05:43 AM   #26
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Employers are taking steps to reduce health insurance costs by shifting more costs to the employees. Healthcare insurance companies are starting to offer low-cost (or "consumer-driven") insurance by raising the deductible (or out-of pocket) amount. It is plausible that the Government could provide socialized medicine at the expense of higher income tax if necessary. The likelihood of that from happening is remote since most people believe that they are already paying too much. The average cost of health insurance for an employer is about $6,700. Why not just raise the salary by that amount to obviate the need to provide health benefits for employees? This may bring insurance cost down since insurance companies must become competitive to attract buyers. One possible drawback is that people may opt out for insurance all together to save money.
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The 'evil' government might do something along the lines of LA - show proof of insurance to renew your driver's license.

Heck - if they made it mandatory - even I might buy health insurance/or not. In the drivers case - you do a 'post bond procedure' if you can't stand insurance. I don't know the amount.
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As Bob said, there is no medicaid for this woman. This is an example of the kind of mis-information that always seems to be floating around out there on healthcare. For goodness sake, can't we spend some of our country's wealth on basic healthcare for all? I am already paying high taxes, but would be willing to pay more for basic healthcare for all.
Sorry folks but I was trying to be sarcastic about her bad situation. I definitely think Nortel is in wrong and weaseled out of their responsibility which they proposed to have as a company policy!

I don't profess to know medicaid qualification but I am not sure why you would assume that she would not qualify for it. She could be living check to check supporting a family still
just making ends meet. Assuming she can begin collecting her pension soon after, it probably will be a lot less than what she was earning and could potentually qualify for medicaid (IMHO).

I also agree with you Martha that this country should provide
basic health coverage to all its citizens.

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Sorry MJ, I didn't mean to imply you were not supportive of care for this woman. Medicaid eligibility is very restrictive. See http://thehealthinsurance.com/medicaid.htm. It is for the poor aged, blind, or disabled and certain very poor families with dependent children.
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No offense taken.

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I am with Nortel, probably because I almost always prefer corporate interests over the government, or whining employees (Oh, poor me!). *Also, I never worked for a big corp. in my life. *Spent the whole time in small business or very small business. *I do agree that "a complete lack of ethical standards leads to chaos". *Ethical standards are pretty much gone everywhere and chaos will result eventually. *There was a time when duels were fought over nothing more than someone's honor.
Anyway..................I have great sympathy for the Enrons, Tycos and Martha Stewarts of this world. *They played the same game as uncounted others and were
singled out for retribution. *These examples are not even the tip of the tip of an enourmous iceberg.JG
WTF!?! *In the same breath you agree that a lack of ethical standards leads to chaos yet side with companies who, unless I'm out to lunch, have been proven to be run by crooks? *Help me out here, I'm confused. *I don't consider myself a liberal by any means, but if someone is misleading their employees, or employer for that matter, then by all means make an example of them...

I have no time for blatant dishonestly. *I don't expect everyone to be altruistic and look out for me, but I have to the right to be given a fair shake, and if I get hosed, then I want them to suffer dearly...
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I don't profess to know medicaid qualification but I am not sure why you would assume that she would not qualify for it. She could be living check to check supporting a family still
just making ends meet. Assuming she can begin collecting her pension soon after, it probably will be a lot less than what she was earning and could potentually qualify for medicaid (IMHO).
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She is only 52 and not eligible for medicare (or any other governmental healthcare benefits). She is still looking for another IT job in the Bay Area while working part time for $15 per hour.
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I'm also trying to maximize what I can get. There will definatly be no severance or ER pay. Bonuses and raises come out in April along with vacation credits. I am waiting till the bonus and vacation is credited and then I'm leaving. My actual plan is to work till May 25. 131 more days.
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I don't profess to know medicaid qualification but I am not sure why you would assume that she would not qualify for it. She could be living check to check supporting a family still just making ends meet. Assuming she can begin collecting her pension soon after, it probably will be a lot less than what she was earning and could potentually qualify for medicaid (IMHO).
MJ, in my previous life I worked with people who were down and out. Employable middle-aged people are completely on their own. I knew many folks who had zero income, few prospects for work, no skills, no home, negative net worth, disabilities, and no family support system. Even these people did not qualify for Medicaid. Spanky's friend isn't even close. She could fall much, much further and still not qualify for Medicaid. I think most people believe there's more help available than there really is.
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Thanks B_S.
Like I said, I am not familiar enough with medicaid requirements and my personal common sense was guiding my position. I guess common sense doesn't work here.

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I was wondering if anyone has any information or an opinion on the following scenario.
If one was to give a 4 week notice and the company decides (foolishly) to let you go prior to the end of the notice and not pay you for the remaining time, would you qualify for unemployment insurance benefits even though you gave notice?

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.....would you qualify for unemployment insurance benefits even though you gave notice?
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Eligibility differs from state to state. In general, those who voluntarily leave their place of employment are not qualified for unemployment insurance. There are always exceptions.

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I was wondering if anyone has any information or an opinion on the following scenario.
If one was to give a 4 week notice and the company decides (foolishly) to let you go prior to the end of the notice and not pay you for the remaining time, would you qualify for unemployment insurance benefits even though you gave notice?
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In general, those who voluntarily leave their place of employment are not qualified for unemployment insurance. There are always exceptions.
Spanky,
Just to clarify, if they fire an employee prior to the final notice date without compensation for the outstanding days, hasn't the company negated the notice, and if that is the case, shouldn't this entitle the employee to unemployment benefits?

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Here are 2 real life umemployment comp. stories.

In 1998, my part time consulting gig in Texas ended.
The company offered me my old job back, but at full
time. I had already moved back to Illinois, which I
now see may have been a mistake, but I digress.......
I turned down their offer and filed for unemployment
here in Illinois. The company contested, but I explained
that although work was available to me, they had changed the job/conditions on me, and plus I was
living out of state due to the part time nature of my employment up until my contract ended. I prevailed.

The General Manager in my small manufacturing company (65 years old) was injured on the job. He collected worker's compensation for over a year, during
which time he had to "prove" he couldn't work. Within
a week after receiving a lump sum settlement, he found a doctor who pronounced him fit to work and filed for
unemployment on the basis he was ready and available.
I protested and was told I could do nothing. That was
just the way the system worked.

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MJ,

I am not an unemployment expert. What I understand is that a person who has been laid off from their jobs through no fault of their own is eligible. Those who have been fired or those who quit for good cause may also qualify. The state will evaluate in this case.
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