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Old 07-30-2006, 08:30 PM   #21
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Re: Hybrid Lust: 2007 Camry

Soooo - my 247000 mile 1994 GMC Sonoma 4 banger 5 speed - WITH rusty fender is still in the hunt.

Just gotta nurse it over 300,000 miles.

heh heh heh
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Re: Hybrid Lust: 2007 Camry
Old 07-30-2006, 08:43 PM   #22
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Here's an interesting view on Hydrids. the full article is linked below
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Here's a few excperts:there's a link to the full report in the article.....
Read that same article, and didn't buy it. Nearly every rationalization argument they use is just a matter of economy of scale. One hybrids are as numerous as SUVs, many of those will evaporate in my estimation.

Meantime, I'm saving over $2K a year on gas and polluting much less. Not for everyone, but if you do the right kind of driving and don't confuse the size of your phallus with your car, it can be a great alternative.
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Re: Hybrid Lust: 2007 Camry
Old 07-30-2006, 08:44 PM   #23
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Re: Hybrid Lust: 2007 Camry

I lusted after the Camry hybrid, too. Instead I bought the Rav4. It came down to hauling some large dogs around and the Rav won out. Still lust after the Camry hybrid though.
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Interesting link re: investing and hybrids:

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Here's an interesting view on Hydrids. the full article is linked below
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"But the biggest reason why a Hummer's energy use is so low is that it shares many components with other vehicles and therefore its design and development energy costs are spread across many cars."

Uh huh. : That include the original design?
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Old 07-30-2006, 09:28 PM   #26
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Some folks seem unfamiliar with the costs and complications of creating and destroying (or 'recycling') lots of large batteries...
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Some folks seem unfamiliar with the costs and complications of creating and destroying (or 'recycling') lots of large batteries...
Good point. Heard a brief piece on the radio about the battery replacement issue from that POV and from a ownership cost standpoint. Apparently it is very expensive and something most owners don't factor in until presented with the estimate.
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Some folks seem unfamiliar with the costs and complications of creating and destroying (or 'recycling') lots of large batteries...
Valid point. It's pretty much speculation comparing that with the fact that gasoline consumption is cut by 70% and emissions even more.
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Some folks seem unfamiliar with the costs and complications of creating and destroying (or 'recycling') lots of large batteries...
True. Other folks think that the lifespan of a Hummer is "over 300,000" miles.
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Well, if you tow it behind a plow it can easily cross 500,000...

Although I wouldnt mind a 300,000 mile hummer myself...
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Time will tell, and the battery is warranted for 8 years, if I recall. My guess is that 5 years from now the market for 06 hybrids will be very weak with rapid technology advances, etc.

I've kept most of my vehicles 10-11 years so depreciation has not been an issue. But my current job is the first one I have ever had with more than a 6 mile commute so it seems a good fit; may get "better," alas, if oil becomes scarce for a while.
imagine buying a used hybrid? that is like buying a used car knowing it will need a transmission ..the batteries cost about the same and are a given...ooh yeah one thing no one mentioned is your on your own disposing of those batteries which are not the same as regular lead acid...its a big buck disposal fee and finding a company certified for those batteries is very difficult
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ooh yeah one thing no one mentioned is your on your own disposing of those batteries which are not the same as regular lead acid...its a big buck disposal fee and finding a company certified for those batteries is very difficult
Toyota recycles their batteries for $200.

Replacing the Toyota battery pack is $3000. The batteries would have to be depreciated over ~10 years when purchasing a used hybrid.

Also, Toyota hasn't replaced any batteries (except for accidents) for any hybrids sold since 2000.
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imagine buying a used hybrid?* that is like buying a used car knowing it will need a transmission ..the batteries cost about the same and are a given...ooh yeah one thing no one mentioned is your on your own disposing of those batteries which are not the same as regular lead acid...its a big buck disposal fee and finding a company certified for those batteries is very difficult
I'd buy a used hybrid.

If the batteries are near their end of life, then the car is worth less. That's pretty straightforward.

Disposal fees won't last long. After people start throwing their batteries by the side of the road, governments will learn to make the fees small enough to encourage responsibility. Or the new batteries will be discounted for the return of the old batteries.

How sure are you those are all lead-acid batteries? I thought companies were using NiMH...
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