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Old 10-19-2009, 01:46 PM   #21
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Trek, I wonder if you could call the Florida DMV and ask if you can keep a Florida license plate if you are a US citizen living overseas? I would want to keep a US license.

I have no life so I looked at the Florida DMV website--the PDF change of address form itself is very simple ("old address here, new address here") and doesn't say anything about residency or have any reminders of what the law requires. (I was worried that your friends at voter registration was going to turn you in for a fraudulent drivers license).
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:52 PM   #22
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25 years ago, I was married, living in Texas, and my (now ex) was away for a few months working on a ship off the west coast of Africa.

He was called for jury duty. All I had to do was to return the notice with a statement that he was out of the country and not expected to return in time for the given deadline. He was excused without a single question asked, and without any proof whatsoever. He did receive further notices in later years.

Guess Florida is making this a PITA. Lots of people travel, and then Florida has so many snowbirds - - they must be aggravating a lot of people.
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:52 PM   #23
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Trek, I wonder if you could call the Florida DMV and ask if you can keep a Florida license plate if you are a US citizen living overseas? I would want to keep a US license.
Yeah, my original intention was just to keep a valid drivers license "just in case." Nothing more than that. But I guess I really don't need it.

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I have no life so I looked at the Florida DMV website--the PDF change of address form itself is very simple ("old address here, new address here") and doesn't say anything about residency or have any reminders of what the law requires. (I was worried that your friends at voter registration was going to turn you in for a fraudulent drivers license).
Thanks. I guess I'll need to inquire if I can have a foreign address on a U.S. license. I have no other U.S. address besides the mail forwarding company. I'll call the DMV tomorrow, it's 10pm here and I've had enough of public servants for one day.
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25 years ago, I was married, living in Texas, and my (now ex) was away for a few months working on a ship off the west coast of Africa.

He was called for jury duty. All I had to do was to return the notice with a statement that he was out of the country and not expected to return in time for the given deadline. He was excused without a single question asked, and without any proof whatsoever. He did receive further notices in later years.

Guess Florida is making this a PITA. Lots of people travel, and then Florida has so many snowbirds - - they must be aggravating a lot of people.
I think my problem is that I'm not claiming to be a resident who is out of the country, but that I'm not a resident at all. However they say I am, because my drivers license has an address in their county on it. Even though I've never lived there. My only tie to that county is the mail forwarding company and the license. But they're following the only rule they know and can't think 'outside the box' for a minute.

I know it's probably too 'big brother' for the States, but everywhere I've lived in Europe, you register yourself with the local town and show them proof of current address. Then you're in the official population database. So you actually claim residency. When you move, you simply un-register and re-register in the new place. It really does help clarify residency (and keep track of you for the paranoid crowd).
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Old 10-19-2009, 09:59 PM   #25
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Well that would make too much sense for the provincial little clerk you spoke with, silly Trek! I think if you try again with a fresh renewed vigor on another day, perhaps getting a new, smarter clerk, you might get this cleared up. Or not.
But giving up the FLA drivers license might be a small price to pay for you to get to tell this story for years to come among the expat community.
Or just ignore them and their silly summons'--what are they going to do...arrest you? You could imagine yourself an international felon, fearful of a return to the US of A, as there are federal agents waiting to pounce the moment you clear the jetway. At least this would be a good story for your children.

It is nice you are so conscientious, but I might just ignore the whole thing if I were in your shoes. Especially if you just get mail forwarded from there.
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Are there any tax implications to claiming not to be a Florida resident? When I worked for Megacorp, we lived overseas for 5 years (2 years in Argentina and 3 years in Africa). HR told us that we had to have a state of residence. Since we lived in Texas both times before the transfers and Texas has no state income tax, we stayed with Texas.

We used a Megacorp address as our US mailing address - which was also our drivers license addresses.

PS. I think I would have let a sleeping dog lie.
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I tell you Trek - I can't quite get over the residency issues for you.

You have to file Federal income taxes if you are a US citizen living overseas do you not? And if so, you must have to declare residence in a certain state I would think.

In some cases I believe wherever you last lived is considered your residence until you establish residency in some different state/county.

I don't know the residency rules for ex-pats, but they must be clear and documented somewhere. No easily found from googling though - I tried.

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I tell you Trek - I can't quite get over the residency issues for you.

You have to file Federal income taxes if you are a US citizen living overseas do you not? And if so, you must have to declare residence in a certain state I would think.

In some cases I believe wherever you last lived is considered your residence until you establish residency in some different state/county.

I don't know the residency rules for ex-pats, but they must be clear and documented somewhere. No easily found from googling though - I tried.

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Taxes aren't a problem. I file Federal and you just put in your foreign address. It's in the 1040 Form instructions how to enter a foreign address. No biggie. Feds don't care where you live so long as you file. I mail it all off registered so I can see it's been delivered and signed for. No state income tax in FL so that's a non-issue.

Seems the only problem is with the county in question and my drivers license. I plan to call the FL DMV tomorrow and ask them how to "cancel" or remove the FL address from my license. That will keep me off the jury pool list and should solve the problem for the future.

I don't plan to deal with the county anymore. This summons is already 3 months old and no other mail has come from the county about it, so I assume they're not too bothered with this summons. Probably if you miss multiple ones they'll get mad, but if I get off this jury pool list I won't have to worry about any more. I didn't give the Jerk Clerk enough personal information to do anything with (I more just described my overall situation) in any case I imagine she just hung up with me and then took the next phone call and started berating someone else.

After looking online the penalty of failure to appear in FL is a fine not to exceed $100 and possible contempt of court. I doubt anyone is gonna send INTERPOL after me over it. I've never been in that FL county and have no plans to ever visit there, so I'm not worried about the local fuzz picking me up. And I doubt they'll arrest me when I fly into JFK. If they did, I'll just show them my passport with the stamps to prove I left the U.S. in Feb. 2007 and have not since returned. Can't get better proof of non-residency than that I should think.
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Eh, I don't know that I would be so quick to turn in a US drivers' licence. Residency can also be an INTENT to reside in a state. You may be able to put your address outside the US on the licence. See if they can use a mailing address and your Expat address as where you live.
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Here's the latest in the saga.

Just spoke to the DMV. You cannot have a foreign address on a U.S. license. The address on the license is supposed to be the address where you physically reside.

She said my only option was to surrender my license to the State of FL. I should enclose my license with a note saying I live abroad and send it to the DMV HQ in Tallahassee. That she said should get me off the jury pool list.

She was very friendly but I guess they don't get too many requests like that because it took her a little bit to understand that I lived overseas but wasn't in the military.

But at least she was nice, tried to be helpful and wished me good luck on my "big adventure."

Anyway, looks like I have 2 options.

Option 1: Just leave everything well enough alone, pretend to be a resident, change my mail schedule and have it sent every 2 weeks instead of every 2 months and if I get another jury summons I'll just mail in an excuse that I'm overseas and show proof at that time.

I don't like this option as it's being dishonest about where I live.

Option 2: Surrender the license and hope at the DMV HQ they can comprehend the situation and properly remove my license from the list.

I don't like this option as the morons at the DMV might screw up and I'll not have a license and still be on a jury list. Then things are even harder to sort out.

I think though I'd take Option 2 since it's the honest way and I can feel better about trying to have done the right thing. I figure I'll keep a photocopy of my letter to them and the license, send it registered/return receipt, enclose a SASE and ask for written confirmation to be returned to me and at least I would then have proof in the future that I did indeed surrender my license to show non-state residence should something like this occur again.
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Hi everyone !
This topic dates quite a bit, but maybe others have the same problem ?

I have been spending hours searching for info and found all your posts
Here's the problem.. I was summoned for jury duty in florida in october.
As everyone knows they pick random driver's licenses, which i have, BUT i've lived in europe for some years now.

I called and explained, saying i go back to US once in a while but am in europe for work.
The woman explained that because i have a valid florida driver's licence then i am obligated to attend jury duty. No exemptions.

She said she could arrange another jury duty time at a later date, but that if i didn't know when i'd be back, the best thing would be to cancel my driver's license.
Which i don't want to do.. but if it's the only choice i guess i'll do it.

In july me and my kids will be going back to the states for a few weeks and i really don't want to have any trouble once there.
So does anyone know where to cancel this license ?? I've searched and searched but besides Talahasee.. i can't find a real adresse or the proper procedure..

Anyone have any ideas ? Thanks in advance !!
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Google is our friend. Google: cancel florida drivers license
The second hit is:Cancel or Surrender Florida license
There are others.

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Thanks sooooooooo much !!
Couldn't figure out which one was the right adresse

Well, now i have to resign myself to sending in my driver's license so that they don't call me anymore.. snif snif..

Thanks again and have a great 2013 !
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I think I detest jury duty more than going for a root canal. I waste the day and typically the dispute is settled out of court (And I'm always glad of that). But the whole process is demeaning. Forced to go at an ungodly early hour, scrambling to find parking, standing in line, going through metal detectors, put in a bull pen, forced to stand while everyone is divided into different jury pools, forced to sit in assigned seats. Judges are cracking down because the process is so onerous, most people will opt out. There needs to be a major overhaul of the legal system and the process.

As to your run-in with the clerk--low-paid and with a belief and anger of being overworked and under appreciated. And don't forget that some people cannot handle any type of authority, plus you need to imbed the fact this is a political beaurocracy. If you are upset, contact her supervisor (even though nothing will happen).
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Man Florida is tough on jury summons. In Arizona I was told that they send out enough notices to account for a 30% response rate, and the jury assembly rooms are still standing room only. I think most people just throw away the notices knowing that there's little risk of getting in trouble for not responding.
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@ Prof12.... "demeaning" Really?? "someone" has issues.
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A couple issues I see. One is required to have a state of residence. Spent a few years overseas with Uncle Sugar and had to declare a state of residence. That state could follow you for taxes if any are due and estates are AFAIL settled on a state basis. The other issue, once one gets past a state of residence and possible tax concerns, is having a drivers license. I need one, most people do. To rent a car and for various ID purposes. I could have gotten a foreign one but that brings a different set of problems. Sems like the goal is to just get out of jury duty which there are various ways to approach.
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A couple issues I see. One is required to have a state of residence.
I did not know this. Do you have a link or source?
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do as some folks do who full time in rv- i believe many of them use either south dakota or tennessee (iirc). dl, residency, everything. the analogy is reasonable. no permenant us address.
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I did not know this. Do you have a link or source?
Didn't matter if I could have found one, USN said I WILL declare a state of residence. Maybe Nords knows more. While citizenship is definitely a national issue there are plenty of references to citizens of the various states being citizens of the US.

Just my opinion but I think if one were to have a large unpaid state tax bill and a legitimate state connection that the state could assert as your domicile then expect them to persue that. Better to pick a friendly state and declare residence. Getting out of jury duty is a separate issue.
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