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Old 01-21-2007, 07:48 PM   #21
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I'll wager the Democrats will choose a more electable candidate.
If Hillary doesn't win the nomination, I don't think it will be because Democrats view her as unelectable. The extremes of both parties typically decide the primaries, and right now these Democrats are in no mood to seek moderation. There surely will be Democrats who recognize she'll have a hard time in the general election, and many will vote for a more moderate candidate. OTOH, the "Angry Left" will search about for the most disagreeable pill to shove down the throat of Republcans, and that would be Hillary. Plus, Bill will be campaigning by her side, and he's certainly among the best campaigners of our lifetime. And, she's got a ton of money. She'll win the Democratic nomination unless she implodes in some maner (scandal, aggregious comment that even Bill can't get her clear of, etc).

But, the moderate Democrats will be shown to have been right--she'll lose in the general election for all the reasons that have been discussed. And the folks who are madest today will be mad for 4-8 more years.
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Re: "I知 in. And I知 in to win." - H.R. Clinton
Old 01-21-2007, 09:24 PM   #22
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SamClem - It is a possible the reaction to Hillary's health care plan was due solely to the fact she was 10 years ahead of her time. I'm not saying her plan was perfect but I don't remember many folks asking for the details. Some folks may have been asking but they were probably drowned out by all the screaming she had lost her mind and she was turning us into a socialist state. No one was even mad a Bill back then (too early) when they got mad at her on healthcare.

There was no name calling of Aarnold when he presented his plan and people calmly asked for the details. So either he and the Republicans and the public have finally caught up to Hillary or there is some bias about who presents the idea (or some of both). If her vision was 10 years ahead back then, is she a few years ahead of us on solutions to other big stuff? Again, I'm not a huge Hillary fan (mostly because of her wishy washy-ness on Iraq) but I think she gets some extra grief because she's a woman and not one of "the guys" presenting the big ideas.

Because I am an engineer, I have worked in male dominated environments all my career and I have seen this phenomenon many a time. It's hard to see it when you are part of the "in" crowd (i.e the majority) and you are accused of being paranoid if you make note of it when you are not part of the "in" crowd. In my current position, three of the top five managers (including the CEO) are women so most of my "paranoia" has disappeared.



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I don't get too excited about this. The FIRST Primary is just under a year away. It should be great sport watching all of the BS that the political scene will generate between now and the election. Since CA is getting ready to change its primary to Feb 4 2008 or so, the whole shebang as far as canadates is concerned should be done by May 1. Then we can listen to the anointed survivors's of each party start in on each other long before their conventions.
Think I'll FIRE and move to Mexico for the winter of 08 and vote absentee. At least I'll vote which can't be said for a significant number of our "citizens".
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"I'm in it to win" doesn't seem like a smart slogan.
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"I'm in it to win" doesn't seem like a smart slogan.
Probably beats "What the hell, I'll give it a whirl", or "Not quite as bad as the alternatives!"
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"I'm in it to win" doesn't seem like a smart slogan.
I agree - what does that do for the people?
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I agree - what does that do for the people?
Why do the people matter? Don't you know she's the smartest woman in the world?
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How about this for a slogan:

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"If you'll elect him, why not me?"
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"I'm in it to win" doesn't seem like a smart slogan.
"You know Bill. You know I deserve something good now."
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They now have a Hillary box meal at KFC!

Two small breasts, two big thighs, and one left wing...
as long as people promise to make equally obvious comments about the size of the boys, uh boys, then i won't be offended - i heard there were "frits and tits" buttons on the floor of the democratic convention when geraldine was running - i just don't think this country will vote for a woman or africn amrn - i've travelled a lot - and even close by, seen enough ignorance to prove that point.

and whatever the case - can someone get hillary a b-vitamin or red bull? her speech was soooo disspassionate, over rehearsed etc. snoooze, at least you'd get a little smile or wink from her hubby.

and i think she and obama should have herded cats a bit longer and proven they can make some change around here - before going for all the glory - why does everyone want to be president - yet nobody seems to have any answers or solutions for all this chaos we see and this country is inflicting...
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Hey, I'm not prejudiced; I make fun of everybody... :P

No doubt, plenty of little pricks in Wasington DC...
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After GWB how bad could I be?
I get a chuckle out of all the dems running against GBII. When the repubs get going, they'll all be running against him too.

The big risk I see the dems taking on is "burnout." They're now starting to campaign just under 2 years before the election. They will have many, many months to trash eachother. You can only go so far when all of them agree anything GBII has done is wrong. The American public will be tired of all of them. A "fresh" repub might have a breakout chance.

I still think the dems have the election to lose but they've started out to try their best to do just that.
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No, Nords. I do find the occasional personal attacks to be immature, and beneath the standards of an otherwise solid forum.

Besides ... how do you address this topic without being "political"?

I doubt the Democrats will take this chance with Ms. Clinton. As left wing nuts see conservatives as being akin to David Duke, right wing nuts see Hillary Clinton as being a socialist witch. She is not likely electable, and if she was elected, she would likely cause further deterioration in the country's political discourse.

I'll wager the Democrats will choose a more electable candidate.

I'm not a Hillary fan but I spent September In Pa. with my relatives and there are tons of Hillary supporters there so I would not rule her out .
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I'm not a Hillary fan but I spent September In Pa. with my relatives and there are tons of Hillary supporters there so I would not rule her out .
A lot has happened since Craig posted that back in Jan. I don't think anybody is ruling out Hillary being president. She's not my choice, but compared to many of the Democrats running, she isn't I am moving to Mexico bad.
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Lord, PLEASE don't let me have to retire from my government job and also my military career with Hillary Clinton's signature on my retirement certificates! Puhleeezee!!!
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They're going to offer the option of having either Hillary or Bill sign those types of documents. They're also looking at the possibility, if they have enough votes, of amending the Constitution so that the First Man is first in the order of succession should the president be unable to fulfill her duties.

Of course, if Bill runs as VP candidate (as he discussed on the Late Show), he'll already be first in the succession order. He said he doubts he'll do that though.......
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They're going to offer the option of having either Hillary or Bill sign those types of documents. They're also looking at the possibility, if they have enough votes, of amending the Constitution so that the First Man is first in the order of succession should the president be unable to fulfill her duties.

Of course, if Bill runs as VP candidate (as he discussed on the Late Show), he'll already be first in the succession order. He said he doubts he'll do that though.......
What a brilliant idea! I hadn't heard that news. The Clintons are so great, another two for one. YAY! You just made my day! Thanks!!!
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What a brilliant idea! I hadn't heard that news. The Clintons are so great, another two for one. YAY! You just made my day! Thanks!!!

That really would be cool wouldn't it?

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What a brilliant idea! I hadn't heard that news. The Clintons are so great, another two for one. YAY! You just made my day! Thanks!!!

Yeah, they're great alright. Legends in their own minds. I don't know what would be greater, those two bozos back in the White House or a dandy case of rectal itch.
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