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Old 07-19-2006, 08:14 AM   #21
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Not true. Lots of electric "hobs" in Europe, especially in older homes.
Just using a little hyperbole.

I'm sure google has stats for gas stove ownership by country. I bet it's a lot higher in Europe than in the US.
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Re: I think I was posioned by natural gas....
Old 07-19-2006, 08:49 AM   #22
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Re: I think I was posioned by natural gas....

My elec range is getting old, and I'm thinking of replacing it with a gas range. Have gas on the other side of the wall, for a dryer connection. Hey, I'm a Food TV wannabe... 8)
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You seem to have a reason why it wasnt natural gas...any ideas what it was?lol

I find it hard to believe that i could've felt super before i got there, worked in natural gas for a few hours, and left feeling sick...and the nat gas didnt have anything to do with it. it is possible though.
Yeah, most likely you were fighting a virus.

Natural Gas, as composed in THIS country, is not toxic. Other than rapid combustion, the only other thing NG can do is Oxygen occlusion, which I think someone already mentioned in this thread.

I have to ask... How could you not know what NG "smells like"??!!* I knew I guy once who didn't know. But he was born and raised in a grass hut in Matabeleland, now part of Zimbabwe. But he did know what bottled cooking gas smelled like!*

If you were subject to a very very high level of Ethyl Mercaptan, then some of the symptoms you had might match. But the level would be so high that I doubt you would stay there! EM is inserted into NG at a rate of 5 PPB, human sense is around .5 PPB for EM.* That's parts per billion, not million.
A question to be worked out by the studious is: What would be the percentage of NG to air have to be to get the EM level up to OSHA limits for short-term exposure?
The explosive mixture of NG to air is 5 to 15 percent. Over 15% the mixture is too rich to ignite.

If by chance you were over the STL for EM, then your liver will probably quit one day without warning. Best to write it out, and will your body to science*

Italy lady: I don't know what Italy does for gas smell-wise. I would not automatically assume that it is the same as the US. It is probably something much superior to what us poor colonists do. Probably as reliable as a Fiat in the US.

Justin: Choice of NG or electric for cooking can be very regional, and even vary locally. About a 1/4 mile down the road, they don't have any gas lines, so electric everything. But I have gas, as do my neighbors. But sometime, I guess someone around here thought that an electric cooktop was "more stylish", so cooktops and wall ovens are electric. I prefer gas, myself, for the instant heating adjustment when cooking. An electric heating element has the thermal-lag effect, which makes cooking amateurs like me see-saw the heat control up and down!

No gas pipe to the kitchen area, and as these are all slab houses, I would have to run a gas pipe across the attic. That's no problem, it's the drop into the kitchen that is the problem. The range top is on an outside wall, no way to drop a pipe down from the attic due to roof intersecting. And I'm not going to rip cabinets, tile, backer board, etc. out to insert a pipe into the wall! I guess I'll just have to cook outside if I want to see flames.
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How could you not know what NG "smells like"??!!*
I've recognized the "gas" smell lots of times, but a few weeks ago the burner didn't ignite, and for some reason I didn't recognize that funny smell.* I thought something was rotten, but didn't think "gas!"

IOW, if your mind is on something else, you might not know what that smell was.*

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And you do not get desensitized to the smell by exposure.
Maybe there was some other reason for it, but this gas company employee couldn't smell what I smelled at my propane tank. He said he could smell it when he started working, but after 10 years driving gas trucks, he had no sensitivity to that smell.
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I grew up in an all-electric community and learned to associate the smell of gas with my grandmother's kitchen--along with tomato sauce, homemade ravioli, chicken soup, and other wonderful scents! My next association with gas was my propane camping stove. To this day, the rotten smell of gas makes me happy.

I love cooking with gas, but I hate cleaning my current gas stove--the big iron grates are very heavy for me, and they don't entirely fit into the sink. I thnk DH should clean them since he insisted on buying this high-end monstrosity, but he thinks I should since I do most of the cooking and therefore make most fo the mess. We don't have a fiath-based marriage, but I'm pretty sure I know what Jesus would do (perform a miracle?). I try to present this arduous task as a test of manliness--once every couple of months I succeed
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I love cooking with gas, but I hate cleaning my current gas stove--the big iron grates are very heavy for me, and they don't entirely fit into the sink. I thnk DH should clean them since he insisted on buying this high-end monstrosity, but he thinks I should since I do most of the cooking and therefore make most fo the mess.
I think that if you do most of the cooking, he should clean any thing you want cleaned, and happily too. Especially if it is physically hard for you to do, and double that if he chose the range.

Tell him I said so.*

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I think that if you do most of the cooking, he should clean any thing you want cleaned, and happily too. Especially if it is physically hard for you to do, and double that if he chose the range.
This is the arrangement that DW and I have. She cooks and I clean. She does tend to cook with reckless abandon, so stuff's flying everywhere. It all started because I didn't like the way she loaded the dishwasher so I started doing it myself. I'm not OCD, really!
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Don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but methane (natural gas) is more dense than air.* * Unless you lie down on the floor of an enclosed space, you're probably not breathing in much of it.

This got me thinking.* *We've all heard of people committing suicide by sticking their head in an oven, turning on the gas, and asphyxiating themselves, right?

That doesn't seem like it should work, unless your oven has a tight-fitting hole to put your head into.* *So, I think this idea may have come from the days when people had coal-burning stoves.* *Supposedly, the fumes from burning coal are highly toxic.
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Don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but methane (natural gas) is more dense than air.* * Unless you lie down on the floor of an enclosed space, you're probably not breathing in much of it.

This got me thinking.* *We've all heard of people committing suicide by sticking their head in an oven, turning on the gas, and asphyxiating themselves, right?

That doesn't seem like it should work, unless your oven has a tight-fitting hole to put your head into.* *So, I think this idea may have come from the days when people had coal-burning stoves.* *Supposedly, the fumes from burning coal are highly toxic.
This is unfortunately not true. Air has a density of* 1.2kg/m3; methane 0.717 Kg/m3. You may be thinking of propane which is heavier than air. Oddly, the lighter than air quality of methane (natural gas) makes is overall less dangerous than for example propane, because methane will dissipate, but propane will pool in a space like an invisible and deadly liquid.


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D'oh!* *You're right, of course.* *Air is mostly N2, so molecular weight is around 28.* *Methane is CH4, molecular weight of 16.* *Bit more than half the density of air.* *I'll never get that job as Mr Wizard at this rate....

So, the lesson for today is: if you want to commit suicide in your natural gas oven, the best way is stick your head in there face-up on the top rack.
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....*I'll never get that job as Mr Wizard at this rate....

So, the lesson for today is: if you want to commit suicide in your natural gas oven, the best way is stick your head in there face-up on the top rack.
I'm so sorry, Mr. Wizard (I'm saying this in a funny voice, but that just doesn't come through on a keyboard* ).

The sticking-the-head-in-the-oven routine is really from bygone days. When the gas piped into homes was coal gas. Made from... Coal! The killer, literally, was the Carbon Monoxide content of the gas itself. Not very high, percentage-wise, but very high for human absorbtion.

So if someone wants to do this, not only do they need to get a period-piece oven, they need to get antique gas, too!*
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Sheesh! Maybe management was right--anyone can be a chemical engineer.
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