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When I asked if it is racist, that was an attempt at subtlety. My real point was when will we stop defining people by the color of their skin?
I don't think everyone does it and the number that do in the USA is shrinking.

I have an idea - politicians are only allowed to appear and advertise on radio
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Old 02-11-2008, 07:08 PM   #42
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It is racist in USA, along with whatever other word the keepers of purity declare is racist. However, my Cuban friends and acquaintences call themselves mulattos, and anthropologists in Latin America, as well as Latinos themselves distinguish between mestizos, who are mixed Amerindian and European, and mulattos, who are mixed African and European.

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This is news to me as my family proudly embraced its Creole heritage on one side, and Mestizo heritage on the other side. Don't know of any keepers of racial purity, except some fools who think that there are biological races. I think it's pretty obvious that most of us are mixed with a little of this, little of that. However, my parents and I did follow the "one-drop rule," as a social concept. One-drop rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. And so do my children.
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I'll give Obama props, he communicates well and seems to have some charisma about him. Plus, he's a LOT younger than Billary or McCain, so maybe he'll at least try to tackle some issues that are weighing on folks his age............

However, he is not in the same league as the other two in experience.......maybe that's not a bad thing, after all,how much experience did JFK have before he got elected??
I just don't understand the whole "lacks experience" thing. If you look at legislative experience, Obama actually has more than Clinton if you count his service as a state senator in Illinois. Neither one has executive experience (nor does McCain). And don't tell me about Hilary's time in the White House; I have been married to a school teacher for 24 years, but that would hardly qualify me as an experienced educator.
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I just don't understand the whole "lacks experience" thing.
Maybe I can help......

Hillary lacks experience. Billary has experience.
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I just don't understand the whole "lacks experience" thing. If you look at legislative experience, Obama actually has more than Clinton if you count his service as a state senator in Illinois. Neither one has executive experience (nor does McCain). And don't tell me about Hilary's time in the White House; I have been married to a school teacher for 24 years, but that would hardly qualify me as an experienced educator.
I think you are where I am - none of them have adequate qualification to be President of the USA.

Maybe we need to do something like what the Roman Empire did - split up the President of the USA responsibilities.
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This is news to me as my family proudly embraced its Creole heritage on one side, and Mestizo heritage on the other side. Don't know of any keepers of racial purity, except some fools who think that there are biological races. I think it's pretty obvious that most of us are mixed with a little of this, little of that. However, my parents and I did follow the "one-drop rule," as a social concept. One-drop rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. And so do my children.
Perhaps you didn't read the Wiki on the one drop rule? The one drop rule is the quintessential racial purity guideline from slaveholding and segregationist US southern society. Possibly the only similarly racist idea in recent history is German National Socialism.

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Perhaps you didn't read the Wiki on the one drop rule? The one drop rule is the quintessential racial purity guideline from slaveholding and segregationist US southern society. Possibly the only similarly racist idea in recent history is German National Socialism.

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Yes, I read it and always read what I reference. You should read the view that many blacks have of the one drop rule, as expressed by sociologist Orlando Patterson; it's there also in Wiki.
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Nah, he is just a conservative Republican who is unhappy that he has no natural candidate in the upcoming Presidential election.
It has nothing to do with party affiliation.

I could give you a list of 20 democratic senators, govenors etc who I think would be great leaders. Obama isn't one of them.
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It has nothing to do with party affiliation.

I could give you a list of 20 democratic senators, govenors etc who I think would be great leaders. Obama isn't one of them.
Sure, but can they give you "change you can believe in?"

Plus, does Oprah like them?
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Id take Clinton over Obama. Cripes at least the water isn't dripping off behind her ears.
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I think it is telling that someone with relatively little experience is a clear front-runner for a wide swath of the population. Should tell you how badly the existing crew have effed things up.
What do you call little experience? You're buying into that media crap too? How about his 8 years in the state senate and four years on congress? His Harvard Law degree? Working at the grass roots level? They don't count?
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Neither do you...........you have Billary and a guy that's only been in the Senate TWO years and has no foreign policy experience..........
Were you one of those that voted for Bush? He had never set foot outside of North America when he became president. That explains his disastrous foreign policy moves and all those around him could not tell the emperor had no clothes.
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Since no one uses the word, mulatto, I'm wondering if it is now considered racist? I find it impossible to think of him (Barry Obama) as black even though I'm reading his autobiography and as a child and young adult he clearly associated with blacks, oops, I'm mean African Americans, and identifies himself as black. His white, oops, I mean European-American ancestors clearly had a great influence on him, and so on. When, oh, when can we drop such designations?

He is not black; he is bi-racial but in America the 1% rule applies. Blacks did not create the rule; whites did.
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What do you call little experience? You're buying into that media crap too? How about his 8 years in the state senate and four years on congress? His Harvard Law degree? Working at the grass roots level? They don't count?
Also, he had the strength to quit smoking.
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My real point was when will we stop defining people by the color of their skin?
I guess it may be a while still.

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In her senior thesis in 1985, Mrs. Obama wrote that her college experience "made me far more aware of my 'Blackness' " than ever before, adding, "I will always be Black first and a student second" on campus.

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Obama is a dynamic speaker who inspires people. He is gifted in his ability to fire up a crowd while he claims to be a "change" president who will not be part of the Washington establishment. Hillary is intelligent, experienced and articulate. She, however, fails to inspire people and doesn't have as good of a sense of humor as Obama. Personally, I think Obama will win mainly because he is a dynamic speaker and has charisma. In November, he will have no problem beating McCain, who is not at all exciting to listen to, even though he is probably more deserving, experienced and qualified to be president.
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Re experience. BO graduated from an elite HS with honors. BS from Columbia University, community organizer/activist in Chicago, JD Harvard Law Magma Cum Laude. He was the first black editor of Harvard Law Review. Then he practiced as civil rights lawyer in Chicago and taught at U of Chicago Law School. Then he served as a State Senator in Illinois. Then 4 years as a US Senator. He's also written three books. Not bad, especially compared with the fellow who currently holds the office.
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I just don't understand the whole "lacks experience" thing. If you look at legislative experience, Obama actually has more than Clinton if you count his service as a state senator in Illinois. Neither one has executive experience (nor does McCain). And don't tell me about Hilary's time in the White House; I have been married to a school teacher for 24 years, but that would hardly qualify me as an experienced educator.
This explains it: Billery.

I do think the Hillary has been an adviser to Bill during his entire political career. Bill has spent most of his political career in the executive branch. She knows how it works.

Obama has legislative experience... perhaps more than Hillary. But little exposure to the executive office.

I believe that Obama has the least experience (even life experience) of all candidates. But that is not a bad thing.

IMO, each candidate has some pluses and minuses.

I could vote for just about any of them in the general election.

I actually like McCain. But if I were to vote today, he would not get my vote. GWB has tainted the party and any of the positive things it stands for. Huge (massive) deficits, massive debt, a war (Iraq) that probably should not have happened. GWB indicated that he would campaign for McCain if he gets the nomination. McCain has best keep GWB in closeted Republican rallies. The swing vote is disgusted with GWB. McCain will lose if he is seen as "like GWB"... Not unlike the backlash effect Hillary gets because of Bill.

To me it looks like Obama could be a likely winner because of the protest vote. People are sick of status quo! Due to the two party system and the difficulty of an independent getting backing... Obama is seen as the best chance for change.
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