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If they’re not working, bottom line is they don’t want to work
12-09-2017, 04:37 PM
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gone traveling
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If they’re not working, bottom line is they don’t want to work
I see wave after wave of these twenty and thirty somethings on the corner begging for a handout and it’s sickening. In my city there are a ton of jobs available, entry level jobs are everywhere, in the year and a half that my wife has been in the country she has gone through 5 different jobs, she wants to work and jobs come with very little effort and a limited English vocabulary. In my city there’s no excuse for failure and I refuse to help anyone that won’t help themself
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12-09-2017, 04:39 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Williston, FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 97guns
I see wave after wave of these twenty and thirty somethings on the corner begging for a handout and it’s sickening. In my city there are a ton of jobs available, entry level jobs are everywhere, in the year and a half that my wife has been in the country she has gone through 5 different jobs, she wants to work and jobs come with very little effort and a limited English vocabulary. In my city there’s no excuse for failure and I refuse to help anyone that won’t help themself
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Just think of them as early retirees.
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12-09-2017, 04:48 PM
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 97guns
In my city there’s no excuse for failure and I refuse to help anyone that won’t help themself
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Gotcha Boss!
Ha
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12-09-2017, 05:09 PM
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Jul 2013
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Merry. Christmas!
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12-09-2017, 05:09 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
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Location: Kerrville,Tx
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One possiblity is that they can't pass a background check and/or a drug test to get a job. Another is that 60 years ago some of these folks would have been institutionalized also due to mental problems.
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12-09-2017, 05:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 97guns
I see wave after wave of these twenty and thirty somethings on the corner begging for a handout and it’s sickening.
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Intersting. I've not witnessed "wave after wave" of this age cohort begging for handouts in my neck of the woods. In fact, up until my E.R. a year ago, I managed such a group of twenty and thirty somethings. Found them to be hard working, street smart, reliable and good with technology.
YMMV
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12-09-2017, 05:15 PM
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I think we need to re-institute the Draft and get some of these folks into the military.
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12-09-2017, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by aja8888
I think we need to re-institute the Draft and get some of these folks into the military.
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No!
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12-09-2017, 05:28 PM
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
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As long as they stay off my lawn, I don't care.
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12-09-2017, 05:33 PM
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Recycles dryer sheets
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Location: Seattle
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 97guns
blah blah blah...I refuse to help anyone that won’t help themself
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Thanks for the reminder to be a kind person.
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12-09-2017, 05:55 PM
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Kind = enabling in this situation. Drugs, alcohol, untreated mental illness are what you are seeing. Crime inevitably follows. We all suffer the consequences of ignoring this. It's tough love time. We need the laws against vagrancy and begging back. We need to shut down and clean up the homeless encampments. We need to be able to get people that are too mentally ill to function off the streets and into some kind of care facilities against their will. People who are competent that refuse to get off the streets need to go to jail and then some kind of boot camp. Our society is crumbling before our eyes. Soon we will look like India. No thanks!
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12-09-2017, 05:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aja8888
I think we need to re-institute the Draft and get some of these folks into the military.
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Most would probably be classified 4f not fit for service even in WWII something like 30% were so classified.
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12-09-2017, 06:05 PM
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I have noticed it here in the dfw area. Even talk to some because of my job. Their excuse is why work 8 hours for $8 a hour when they can make over $100 in about 4 hours hanging around outside begging. My wife would see them at a local mcdonalds she would go to on her way home begging for money. She would get them a happy meal thru the drive thru and when she hands it to them they still ask her for money.
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12-09-2017, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 4legsgood
Thanks for the reminder to be a kind person.
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Well said.
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12-09-2017, 06:11 PM
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Are there no prisons? Are there no work houses?
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12-09-2017, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by hopefullyoneday
I have noticed it here in the dfw area. Even talk to some because of my job. Their excuse is why work 8 hours for $8 a hour when they can make over $100 in about 4 hours hanging around outside begging. My wife would see them at a local mcdonalds she would go to on her way home begging for money. She would get them a happy meal thru the drive thru and when she hands it to them they still ask her for money.
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They have plenty of food. They buy from the takeout restaurants and the donut shops in the shopping centers with their money. Recently saw a lady on a corner with a "Hungry" sign and a $5 drink from Starbucks. The reason they aren't satisfied with McDonald's is they want the money for alcohol, drugs, and cigarettes. If you would not enable an addicted sibling or child to buy these things, why would you enable a stranger?
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12-09-2017, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by LRDave
Are there no prisons? Are there no work houses?
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Many of them are dealing drugs and engaging in petty theft from cars or whatever is an easy target. Prisons would be the appropriate place for them, don't you think?
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12-09-2017, 06:54 PM
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There are many homeless in our area who would likely be thrilled to have even a work house. The police come and clear out the camps and throw away all their belongings and medication and they have nowhere else to go. It is hard for people who are malnourished, mentally ill, have no address and maybe a criminal record to find a job. And it is hard to treat mental illness and addiction for people when they have no housing or a place to make meals and store groceries. Many mental health issues have been traced to nutritional deficiencies. Utah seems to have had some success with their housing first program in aiding the homeless.
Even working full time it is hard to find housing in the Bay Area that is affordable. I know because I was helping a young person who had been kicked out by the parents, had multiple jobs, still had been homeless for a time and was always living on the edge. Kids from dysfunctional families like that aren't exactly coached on interviewing skills and FICO scores and may have mental issues of their own like PTSD. It is estimated 20% of foster kids end up homeless when they age out of the foster system.
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12-09-2017, 06:58 PM
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Jeebus. Sure a bunch of people who want to spend $50,000+/annum to jail a bunch of people who have their own problems. Frankly I haven't seen Biff or Mindy out there bagging, instead people who haven't been blessed with a normal IQ or personality or undamaged psyche.
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12-09-2017, 07:10 PM
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Prisons cost too much. Euthanize the homeless.
"If they be like to die, they'd better do it and reduce the surplus population"
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