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Old 03-20-2006, 12:15 PM   #41
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I just got done doing the calculation on my Super Computer and it turns out that if every American reduced their body weight to what is considered normal by the FDA then we could free ourselves from our dependency on foreign oil and pay off the national debt because of the energy savings in moving all the excess fat around in cars, airplanes etc.
Don't forget the energy savings by reduced AC usage for those over heated by their excess fat during the hot weather.

For me, I think it's my frugalness that keeps me from eating "badly".
It is a lot cheaper to cook fresh potatoes than buying potato chips or bringing your own homemade lunch than going to BK or McD.
I find it very sad seeing the type on poor quality foods poor people buy with my subsidized food stamps.
Finally, if some people had to truly pay for their health insurance, they might do a better job at their preserving their health.
I just had my dental checkup and my dentist found 2 cavities. Since I am now retired and soon will be off my dental insurance, I asked him right away what else I can do to keep the cavities down to none.
I also believe that companies also have some culpability by the continual use of advertising especially on the children, to hypnotise them into "demanding" their parents to buy unhealthy foods. They, then become the next adult generation to "voluntarily" buy the junk.
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Re: If You Are Fat, Whose Fault Is It?
Old 03-20-2006, 12:38 PM   #42
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is on my avoid when possible list, but is more acceptable than aspartame.
Aspartame gave me panic attacks! This stuff should be banned from planet earth. Even the name Aspartame sounds positively evil.
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Re: If You Are Fat, Whose Fault Is It?
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Sure. Because adults sure as heck cant just say "no".

Gabe's in the top 2% of his age class for height, and is just below the midline for weight. I cant find baby clothes to fit this kid...anything with legs long enough falls right off of him.

His breakfast is oatmeal and a little fruit. He drinks water with maybe a splash of juice in it, although he likes plain water just fine. Most of his diet is vegetables, yogurt, avocado's, bannanas, peanut butter and whole wheat pasta. Almost all organic.

He can get 'advertised to' incessantly. Until he's old enough to make money and buy his own food, he'll be eating what I buy for him. Hopefully i'm preparing him to eat healthy by providing a healthy and balanced diet for him.

There will also be none of that sitting around watching tv and playing video games crap. I imagine I can have some influence in that regard as well.

I'm really, really good at saying "no".
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I can't use any of those artificial sweeteners either, make me deathly ill. I try to eat organic when possible, dh cooks fresh food every night and I take leftovers for lunch. We share a garden with my parents in the back yard and feast on frest fruit and veggies when ever possible. We go out to dinner once a week for chicken fajitas. We both walk at least once a day and do some kind of weight workout several times a week.

I see the results of all the junk food on the kids walking to the bus stop, I don't know how some of them make it there. It's very sad and really upsets me to know that they allow places like Burger King and MickyD's to have shops set up in schools.
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One thing I've been pondering is whether fatness, especially in children, comes from the food or the drink. It seems to me that most of what kids drink is soda and fruit juice. I notice every fat baby has a bottle of juice stuck in their mouth. I've often asked parents who put bottle after bottle of juice into their kids why they're doing that. "Because juice is good for them!". Its water, sugar, and vitamin C. Only two of those things are good for them and kids dont need that much vitamin C in their liquids. When I mentione that I get "No...it has food value and fiber and stuff in it!". Uhh...no...its water, sugar and vitamin C. "Well, its better for them than soda or those fake juice drinks!". Nope...they're all water, sugar...and well, at least the juice and fake juice have vitamin C in them. At that point I get the "You've got to be entirely wrong but I'm out of things to say" look.

I have a friend who is grossly overweight...he drinks over a gallon of milk a day. Its his default drink.

Maybe the best and only thing a lot of people need to do is make their default drink water...or wine...which has a lot of water in it. As I imagine beer does.
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I think this is just a symptom of the lack of personal responsibility in today's world. *Nobody's accountable for their own choices. *If I get fat, it's Burger King's fault. *If I smoke, it's Joe Camel's fault. *If I'm stupid, it's the school system's fault. *It's the same logic as censorship - we blame the entertainment industry for corrupting our children.

It's like we, as a society, are saying "we must elect a big brother to protect us from the things we are too ignorant to avoid".
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One thing I've been pondering is whether fatness, especially in children, comes from the food or the drink.* It seems to me that most of what kids drink is soda and fruit juice.* I notice every fat baby has a bottle of juice stuck in their mouth.* I've often asked parents who put bottle after bottle of juice into their kids why they're doing that.* "Because juice is good for them!".*
CFB -Good point on the chubby babies sucking on pure sugar in their bottles.* Also, look at the sedentary lifestyle the kids lead today.* When I was kid, we were always outside playing baseball, basketball, riding our bikes, skateboards, you name it.* Kids now a days sit in front of the boob tube or computer in their spare time in addition to drinking all of those sugary drinks.
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We were talking about the issue with kids the other day. Within 2 days there were 2 different news items on TV:

1. Kids were going to be weighed at school, and this would be on the report card, letting the parents know if their child was over the "normal" limits.

2. Schools are removing recess from the school day because the time is needed for academics.

Do you see the inconsistency here?? And we've already had the discussion about how kids are glued to the TV and/or computer playing games or whatever instead of being outside playing. And then we blame McDonalds and Burger King because they are overweight. Duh!

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Big debate on whether schools should allow soda machines on campus.

We had a water bubbler when I was a kid.
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I feel that the situation that kids face today is tough. As a parent, go with the flow can easily lead to a fat unhealthy child. I am glad it was different when my kids were young.

As to adults and their own weight problems, I think fault can be laid many places, many already mentioned here. Our whole suburban, sedentary way to life is unhealthy.

But who can change it, in a reasonable time frame? So if an adult wants to weigh less, he or she has to grab the bull. Here's an interesting site by one guy who was very, very fat, and did just that with great success.

http://www.waswayfat.com/who_I_am.htm

Here is another compelling story, featuring a couple who decided to lose weight together,

http://www.dolfzine.com/page660.htm


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I decided last June to get off the sugar altogether - no cakes, cookies, candy, ice cream, sickly-sweet yogurt, sugared cereal, sugary breads, etc. etc.
Yikes.* How can life be worth living under those conditions?* How would our bodies find the raw materials to make endorphins?
In answer to your question, Nords, my mother's a type-2 diabetic.* Watching her inject the insulin with one hand and eat a donut with the other has altered my thinking.

One thing that I don't think has been mentioned is the two-income family.* When I was a kid my mother stayed home and cooked healthful meals.* All four of her children reached adulthood in great physical shape.*

Today, we need two incomes to support ourselves. I know that when I've completed a busy and stress-filled day I don't have a the mental energy to cook. I sometimes walk right past a full fridge on my way to the local Chinese restaurant.

This is in contrast to those times when I was "between jobs."* I shopped for, cooked, ate, and enjoyed healthy meals every day.* This took time and planning, though.* I cannot even imagine how an exhausted, two income couple trying to get ahead in their jobs and pay the mortgage find the discipline to eat well and exercise, much less help their kids to do the same.

Which raises a question:* Do you retired folks out there eat more healthily and exercise more now that job stress is gone and time has (theoretically) increased?* Or do old habits tend to hold sway?

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It depends.

When I worked in san francisco, walked to all my customers, and never had time to eat due to a long commute and too much work, my waistline fell to nearly the point where I could have put my old high school pants on.

When I worked in a big building with no nearby food, didnt have the time or inclination to make and pack a lunch, and the cafeteria featured taco bell, cheeseburgers, and machines full of jimmy dean sausage sandwiches, I wouldnt be looking at any old pants.

When I was ER'ed and single, I spent about two hours a day rollerblading, kayaking, swimming, snokeling, skiing half days on a regular basis, etc. Thin, thin, thin.

Married with a baby and managing a household...not as many opportunities to exercise, but we eat what I cook and thats mostly healthy, and as Gabe becomes more outside active, so will I.
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Which raises a question:* Do you retired folks out there eat more healthily and exercise more now that job stress is gone and time has (theoretically) increased?* Or do old habits tend to hold sway?
You are right Caroline that it is hard to find the oomph to fix healthful meals or exercise when you are physically, emotionally and morally exhausted from a day in the pit. Being retired, or having a job that gets you home earlier and in better shape is much easier.

When I worked, my wife was home. She was an excellent, healthy cook, so it was no problem. When I had to start caring for myself, it took a little while to get my act together. (I would put dirty dishes in a plastic dishpan, for washing later. Every day I would add a dash of soap and a dash of bleach, to keep down the smell. Finally one day about 6 weeks later I decided to wash the dishes. Ha! All the knives and forks looked like little rusty nails. The dishes were so stained that I had to throw it all away and vow to do better in the future. After that I washed my dishes, and I fix good meals, and get some good exercise, every day.

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The guy with a dirty toilet was bad old Mikey. Ha does a much better job; though I fear it still might not pass close inspection.

One day not long ago my older son and his GF stopped by. He was obviously pleased that she used the bathroom and was not vomiting when she came out. We celebrated with shots of Akvavit all around.

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One thing that I don't think has been mentioned is the two-income family.* When I was a kid my mother stayed home and cooked healthful meals.* All four of her children reached adulthood in great physical shape.*

Today, we need two incomes to support ourselves.* I know that when I've completed a busy and stress-filled day I don't have a the mental energy to cook. I sometimes walk right past a full fridge on my way to the local Chinese restaurant.

This is in contrast to those times when I was "between jobs."* I shopped for, cooked, ate, and enjoyed healthy meals every day.* This took time and planning, though.* I cannot even imagine how an exhausted, two income couple trying to get ahead in their jobs and pay the mortgage find the discipline to eat well and exercise, much less help their kids to do the same.
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I've never done this but have read that some people prepare several meals on the weekend, and freeeze them.* Then, when they get home from work, voila!* Healthy and tasty and easy.*
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Yeah, Eagle43.. it's developed into a whole cult. OAMC (Once-A-Month-Cooking). There are several cookbooks out there.. check amazon reviews, though, to see if the recipes fit in with your style of eating.

There are even cooperatives that get together and cook en masse, sharing the meals for more variety. You need a lot of freezer space! Good for those who like Costco shopping. Another suggestion: the tried & true Crock-Pot.

At least a couple times a week you can try and make things in quantities sufficient to last 2-3 meals. Another trick I have tried is to measure things out in advance and/or keep 'prepared' stuff in the freezer.. chop 2-3 onions or peppers instead of one and put the rest in the freezer for another dish, so you cut down on prep time and cleaning up.

Another trick for boneless chicken breasts: slice them horizontally in three 1/4"-1/8" slices. They will cook in 1/3 the time and won't be unevenly cooked. Use the flat of your hand to bear down and keep the chicken from sliding around while using a big sharp knife. Do a bunch of these and freeze them when they are on sale.

A chicken marsala takes about 5 minutes cooking time (heat butter in pan on high, salt & pepper chicken, dredge in flour, saute, when a bit golden brown on both sides throw in a few tablespoons of marsala and voila'!). The entire dinner 10' including boiling up some frozen string beans.. maybe 15' with prep/cleanup.

Another quickie is to take the c. breast slices, put in a greased oven pan, throw a slice of cheese and/or ham/prosciutto on top, pop in the oven for 15 minutes. I like these with spinach. It doesn't take any longer than going out for Chinese and costs a lot less.

I have other more 'gourmet' recipes but these are the quickest. Since the nearest Chinese restaurant is about an hour and a half away, we have little choice, anyway!! P.S. they don't deliver.
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Batch cooking is a way of life when you work 12.5 hr shifts...
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There will also be none of that sitting around watching tv and playing video games crap.* I imagine I can have some influence in that regard as well.
Yeah, no kidding.* Thank goodness Gabe's Dad doesn't do that stuff!

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In answer to your question, Nords, my mother's a type-2 diabetic.* Watching her inject the insulin with one hand and eat a donut with the other has altered my thinking.
OK, good point.* My mother started smoking cigarettes again when the cancer diagnosis turned to pain control instead of cure.* 20 years later I still can't look at a cigarette without thinking of her.

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Which raises a question:* Do you retired folks out there eat more healthily and exercise more now that job stress is gone and time has (theoretically) increased?* Or do old habits tend to hold sway?
We'd come home from work exhausted, but we tended to not go for the fast food pickup or the deliveries because it was just one more hassle while walking around in uniform.* So when we got home and didn't want to cook, dinner would be ramen & grilled cheese sandwiches or hot dogs.* Of course if you get home after 9 PM you're allowed to eat all the comfort cereal you need want.

We didn't eat out unless we were all relatively alert & happy.* A bad day wasn't rewarded with restaurant food because we just didn't feel like going out again.

As INTJ engineering types we tend to find 10-15 meals and stick with that menu.* Crockpot chili or stews are great.* Anytime I turn on the stove or oven I cook a double batch and freeze it.* I especially like cooking a 15-20 pound turkey and having leftovers once or twice a week for a couple months.* If I fire up the BBQ I'll use almost 10 pounds of charcoal and empty the freezer. Every once in a while spouse will go on a rampage and find a new main dish.* We'll try it for a few months but somehow the classics always work their way back to the top of the menu.

We enjoy eating out, especially when we know the restaurant, but with basketball practice & tae kwon do there just aren't many free nights to eat out.* So we have a regular Friday-night pizza and the occasional Thai lunch or Chinese family takeout dinner.

I guess we're cooking more & eating out less than when we were working.* Our "dining" bill (including school lunches, workplace breakfast burritos, & office dining) was about $150/month and has now dropped to barely $75/month.
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