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Old 05-10-2006, 09:59 AM   #161
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Yep, another couple of people who came to the US, got rich and famous, and then stayed here.

The land of opportunity!

Actually I was referring to a "Daily Show" skit which is not on their web site yet, where the yahoo "minutemen" are starting to watch the canadian border, considering inflows from there a greater threat to the US than mexican immigrants.

When it shows up, i'll post a link to it. Fairly funny.
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I thought a Minuteman was someone who double parked in front of a whore house?

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Also moved to the US, made their fortunes, and remained here.
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Also moved to the US, made their fortunes, and remained here.
Why limit ourselves to Canadians? What about people who could have lived in Canada even more easily than choosing to live in the U.S.?

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A lot of statistics have been introduced on this thread, and several good logical points have been made. The question's a sticky one, no doubt about it, and I certainly don't know what the answer is. Unless someone out there is an illegal immigrant though, we've not heard from the group with the biggest stake in all of this.

Not that it will change any minds, but here's what they all risk, and what 500 or so of them experienced this year alone. Not for the squeamish...



In 1906, W.J. McGee published an account of the experiences of Pablo Valencia, a forty-year-old sailor-turned-prospector, who survived almost seven days in the Arizona desert without water....

Saliva becomes thick and foul-tasting; the tongue clings irritatingly to the teeth and the roof of the mouth .... A lump seems to form in the throat ... severe pain is felt in the head and neck. The face feels full due to the shrinking of the skin. Hearing is affected, and many people begin to hallucinate... [then come] the agonies of a mouth that has ceased to generate saliva. The tongue hardens into what McGee describes as "a senseless weight, swinging on the still-soft root and striking foreignly against the teeth." Speech becomes impossible, although sufferers have been known to moan and bellow.

Next is the "blood sweats" phase, involving "a progressive mummification of the initially living body." The tongue swells to such proportions that it squeezes past the jaws. The eyelids crack and the eyeballs begin to weep tears of blood. The throat is so swollen that breathing becomes difficult, creating an incongruous yet terrifying
sense of drowning.

Finally ... there is living death, the state into which Pablo Valencia had entered when McGee discovered him on a desert trail, crawling on his hands and knees: "His lips had disappeared as if amputated, leaving low edges of blackened tissue; his teeth and gums projected like those of a skinned animal, but the flesh was black and dry as a hank of jerky; his nose was withered and shrunken to half its length, and the nostril-lining showing black; his eyes were set in a winkless stare, with surrounding skin so contracted as to expose the conjunctiva, itself as black as the gums...; his skin [had] generally turned a ghastly purplish yet ashen gray, with great livid blotches and streaks; his lower legs and feet ... were torn and scratched by contact with thorns and sharp rocks, yet even the freshest cuts were so many scratches in dry leather, without trace of blood" (Philbrick, 126-128).
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You murdered John, Keith and Mick live offshore, Paul still lives in England and Toronto, according to the Stones, is their favourite city outside of the UK.

Most of their music is recorded here, they start many tours here, they gave a FREE concert during SARS.

Shanai Twain however, lives in Switzerland.
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You murdered John
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I buried Paul... 8)

Think Keith lives in Connecticut...
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I was watching Monday Night Football; Howard Cosell told me about the Lennon shooting. *That's my alibi.

Heck, Illegals are risking lives and limbs to get here. *We must have something. *Wonder if they'd just keep going North, all the way to Canada? *It's better in Canada, than here, right? Mebbe that's the answer to "What should be done?" Just start some freedom rides, Greyhound buses, to say Vancouver. Would Canada accept illegals, just barging in, wily-nilly?
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I buried Paul...* 8)
Think Keith lives in Connecticut...
Paul owns real estate in Hawaii, too, but most people would've just said "Gee, interesting point, Nords" and moved on with their lives instead of activating their wrinkled rock-star tracking systems.

Or looking up the spelling of "Shania".
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As our bass player used to say...

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My mailbox is being flooded with mail concerning gas
prices and illegal immigrants.* *Exhortations to
boycott oil companies or not.* Plea's to provide
amnesty to illegal immigrants or not, etc., etc.,
etc.!!!

Since I have become jaded to the various solutions
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ACLU, etc.* I have elected to solve the problems as
they affect me.* It solves both my gas and illegal
immigrant problems....

I have hired illegal immigrants to push my car.
They're plentiful and cheaper than buying gas!
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I have hired illegal immigrants to push my car.
They're plentiful and cheaper than buying gas!


But are they better for the environment (i.e. lower in greenhouse gas emissions?)
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I look at it this way......


All the things most people don't want to share with mexicans, I don't want to be paying for in the first place. I feel like most of the population is the kid with the huge allowance and someone is asking them to share that allowance. In reality, the kid is old enough to make their own damn money and quit mooching off me.
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I live in Apple Country, without the Mexican and Jamaican Workers, who are brought in legally, the crop would rot.

Locals will not do the work.
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I live in Apple Country, without the Mexican and Jamaican Workers, who are brought in legally, the crop would rot.

Locals will not do the work.
Not for the same hourly wage anyway....
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Hmmm - 1950's

We picked apples for a piece rate not hourly. Talking to the owners Son - Americans were not as good or reliable as Mexicans. A small but significant percentage of the Mexicans were teachers or students. $/Peso and college cost in 'the good old days' was different then.

heh heh heh heh heh - times change.
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Not for the same hourly wage anyway....
Not for a wage that would make sense to grow apples for a living.

We've had three bad plum seasons in a row. Late rains and/or late cold weather. My one tree produced a couple of hundred pounds three years ago, hardly a thing in the last three. As a result, quite a few plum farms around here have turned into subdivisions and wood chips.

And thats WITH illegal immigrant laborers getting paid squat to pick them, and most of the crews building the subdivisions also illegal immigrant workers...
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Not for a wage that would make sense to grow apples for a living.

And thats WITH illegal immigrant laborers getting paid squat to pick them, and most of the crews building the subdivisions also illegal immigrant workers...
I guess down the road the farmers and construction companies will just buy Japanese robots that pick apples, build houses, etc. Maybe the Mexicans would be better off investing in TM and other companies and living off the profits in lower-expenses Mexico instead of crossing the border?
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Iím starting to see concerns voiced about the stability of the Mexican and other governments to our south and the potential for a huge increase in northern migration. My initial reaction was to suspect these stories were being used to support those calling for greater border security. But I live in a border state and some of my neighbors have parents and other relatives who live in Mexico. They tell me things look very troublesome in the old country. If you havenít seen some of this, hereís what Iím referring to:

A poll published Friday in Excelsior newspaper found 50 percent of respondents feared the government was on the brink of losing control. The polling company Parametria conducted face-to-face interviews at 1,000 homes across Mexico. The poll had a margin of error of 3 percentage points.

The conflicts are ďa warning sign,Ē said Yamel Nares, Parametria's research director.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...oteoffear.html

"I am told by all that the wealthy and middle class of Mexico have their bank accounts in the US and their bags packed. They suspect the US will have no problem with these immigrants. But every single one warned that the nation is on the verge of a chaos that could send tens of millions fleeing to the US."
http://dallasblog.com/scott-bennett-...-to-erupt.html

I'm starting to question my initial suspicion was that this was just a ploy to influence support for the Bush plan to send National Guard troops to the border. Now Iím wondering if this is the real reason behind that move and the govt. is trying to quietly prepare for the potential danger resulting from a meltdown in Mexico.

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