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Old 03-16-2016, 05:48 PM   #21
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Ok, maybe I can get a suggestion here. Dad has struggled with his first smartphone for months now. It's a Samsung Galaxy Avant, set on easy mode. He still is not able to text or retrieve voicemail. He wants a fancier phone, thinking that will solve it. He hasn't been able to learn to do voice commands. He wants to get on the Internet on the phone.

Are there any fancy-looking smartphones that are easy for someone who is low-tech? Like I said, it's been months since he's tried working this fairly easy phone.
For what it's worth, my parents took to iOS much better than Android. Mom hated her Android smartphone. Granted, that was circa Gingerbread/iOS 4. Now, both mom and dad have iPads, too, and mom is surprisingly more advanced in her usage than I expected her to be. She uses a bunch of apps now - Facebook, Skype, Pandora, YouTube, etc.
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Old 03-16-2016, 05:56 PM   #22
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I have an old flip phone that I probably haven't used in over six months. I have never texted or taken a picture with a phone. So far, I can't say that I feel my life is constrained or inconvenienced in any way.

But it's an individual choice and it's certainly not my job to proselytize. So feel free to have at it with all of your electronic devices. And if you want to feel sorry for me, that's fine too.
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Handy little deevices, them cellphones. A bit confusing, though; my wife was backing out of the driveway, talking to someone on speakerphone, and the call disconnected. After a little investigation, she discovered she was talking on the cordless house phone.

We use old sprint phones on ting. I keep data off unless I need to navigate with Google Maps; that and the camera are the only non-phone things I do with it.

Tech for tech's sake drives me nuts. I rented a car recently, carefully adjusted the mirrors, shifted into reverse to back out, and the mirrors were rotated elsewhere. Shifted back into park, re-adjusted the mirrors, shifted into reverse, same thing. After two days of wrestling with it, a (younger) person pointed out, "It's supposed to do that. When you shift into reverse, the mirrors rotate down to show you the curbs." I already know where the curbs are, dangit...
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I have an old flip phone that I probably haven't used in over six months. I have never texted or taken a picture with a phone. So far, I can't say that I feel my life is constrained or inconvenienced in any way.

But it's an individual choice and it's certainly not my job to proselytize. So feel free to have at it with all of your electronic devices. And if you want to feel sorry for me, that's fine too.
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... For What it's worth, I have a TracFone which costs ~$6.67/month.
Such luxury and excess. I pay $2.50 a month for my PagePlus service.
Harrrumphhhh! $0.83 per month - T-Mobile 'Gold Status'. $10/year and unused minutes roll over.

That plan is now grandfathered. And no data. But it suits my needs, I might make a couple calls a month.

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If having a smart phone is the default among the people you interact with, you will lose out over time if you don't have one.

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Yes. Even though I rarely have any real need for a smartphone, it is getting to the point of being awkward when I'm out with a younger group (generally the members of the home-brewing club). I have to explain I'm not a techno-phobe, I have linux computers at home, tablets, and a bunch of smartphones at home (that I sometimes use with wi-fi) and all this tech gear - I just don't really need a smartphone enough to want to pay the monthly bill for data I would rarely use. But then again, most of the places we hang out have wi-fi, so I could bring one of our old smartphones, log on, and then I'd have data too.

And when we are out with the kids, we can just ask them to google/Uber or whatever. They understand.

So I do understand not really needing a smartphone, but a basic cell phone with basic service is so cheap, most people should just have one. But I can understand someone like Major Tom going w/o. If you mostly walk/bike, you aren't far from home. And IIRC, he lives alone, so no need to call home to ask about something on the shopping list. Whatever works for you.

Though I do suspect that once I finally break down and get a data plan, I'll appreciate the convenience. But I'll hold out for a while yet.

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........ So far, I can't say that I feel my life is constrained or inconvenienced in any way.
But.....but when you are away from a wifi connection, how do you watch kitten videos and argue with strangers on the internet?
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Harrrumphhhh! $0.83 per month - T-Mobile 'Gold Status'. $10/year and unused minutes roll over.
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I have to explain I'm not a techno-phobe, I have linux computers at home, tablets, and a bunch of smartphones at home (that I sometimes use with wi-fi) and all this tech gear - I just don't really need a smartphone enough to want to pay the monthly bill for data I would rarely use.
Just let em' know you pay 83 cents a month cell phone bill !
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Had a pay as you go flip phone, until today, when it bounced off the dock into the lake. Will be about 20 bucks to replace it.
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Ah, another "low-tech" thread. As you know I don't have cable TV and still use my flipper phone. However, for my birthday today I re-activated my SiriusXM radio in my car for $20 for five months. Oh-h-h-h-h-h-h. I thought it might come in handy this summer for road trips.
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I have to explain I'm not a techno-phobe, I have linux computers at home, tablets, and a bunch of smartphones at home (that I sometimes use with wi-fi) and all this tech gear - I just don't really need a smartphone enough to want to pay the monthly bill for data I would rarely use.

Just let em' know you pay 83 cents a month cell phone bill !
I have. They are not impressed! (As we order another $8 barleywine.)

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Everywhere I go, I see the younger generation hung up on their smartphones. I call'em the one armed generation.

Our great granddaughter had a large birthday party 2 weeks ago. There were about 25 adults there, and I looked up and saw every single one with their nose in those damned phones--ignoring the party and everyone there.

As a retiree, I see a cellphone useful to carry when I go out on my 24' boat. In case it won't start. And that phone will be borrowed from my wife.

I no longer carry any phone. Since I don't work, there are few people I ever talked to--maybe 5-10 calls per month. My wife talks on the phone enough for the both of us.
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I still have never had a cell phone. Everyone hates that I don't have one except me.


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For what it's worth, my parents took to iOS much better than Android. Mom hated her Android smartphone. Granted, that was circa Gingerbread/iOS 4. Now, both mom and dad have iPads, too, and mom is surprisingly more advanced in her usage than I expected her to be. She uses a bunch of apps now - Facebook, Skype, Pandora, YouTube, etc.
DW started with an iPad. Then she wanted to take pictures on the move and wanted an iPhone. So I bought a used 4C for $100 with a $100/yr plan. She had a Motorola flip phone before.

Now she has an iPhone 5 and I retired my Samsung for her 4C. I found the whole iOS experience a treat compared to Android. She remains the Apple expert.
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I always have my smartphone with me. Mostly to read kindle ebooks.
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If having a smart phone is the default among the people you interact with, you will lose out over time if you don't have one. I found this out. My other big use, beyond social connection is local transit. Instead of standing in the wind for an unknown period, I show up at the stop just in time, and the buses/trains are tracked to show updated itineraries.

A smart phone is much cheaper than a car.
This, and a thousand other uses is why I spent $100 on a used smartphone and subscribed to a free cell plan (no, not the govt phone; freedompop).

We have the bus locator app locally too (transloc??). Very nice modern approach to making transit accessible to non-traditional users.

Then there's Uber. Another great app for getting around town.

Real time radar, GPS, maps, etc all make trekking through the woods a little safer. And if you get hurt, help isn't far away (assuming you can get some bars!).

I use it for navigation all the time (in the car, on foot, satellite imagery/google streetview to determine pedestrian cut through/short cut possibility).

We bought a new used car this week and it was invaluable to research on the fly (does this car have a timing belt; what's the service interval), coordinate adding auto insurance, coordinate the independent inspection, etc.

When I get bored I have a library of books on it, and I can check out more from the real library.

Oh yeah I think I can receive and place telephone calls from it but not sure how that works.

For under $100 it's an amazing device. I went without a smartphone until 2010 but probably won't go smartphone free again.
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Got my first smartphone this year. I never thought I needed one, but now I love that I can check my email, the weather, news, or do whatever while sitting on the bus. It frees up a lot of time that I used to spend sitting in front of my desktop at home.

Now I get to waste that time on doing stuff like posting here. I do kinda miss those bus naps though on the way to/from work!
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This, and a thousand other uses is why I spent $100 on a used smartphone and subscribed to a free cell plan (no, not the govt phone; freedompop).

FREE ! - Well that's my favorite price ! I'll look into this when my time runs out on my TracFone plan.

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I was an early adopter on the Internet, but a late adopter on an iPad (got one as a gift) and even later on the iPhone (DW forced the issue) - all due to $'s vs value. But I don't plan to go backward.

It's fine if others voluntarily choose a low tech life, really. Each of us can decide if we're missing anything as a result.

But along the lines of haha's POV, when reaching out to several others (vs one on one):
  • When I email friends/acquaintances and they rarely/never reply because they 'look at email every two weeks' - sorry, but not my problem.
  • Friends who don't read texts are going to miss some things.
  • When I post info on a club website and Facebook page, and members tell me they 'don't look at the web regularly, or Facebook' - not my problem. One member (of 190 members) confronted me and asked why he wasn't told about an upcoming event. I told him it was on the web, Facebook and his email to which he said 'if you want me to know about club activities, I expect you to call me' - definitely not my problem.
Not knowing how to use a PC/internet is rapidly (if not already) becoming the equivalent of not knowing how to read 50 years ago. Not using email is rapidly becoming the equivalent of not using a phone 50 years ago.

Thankfully Luddites will never prevail...
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... Not using email is rapidly becoming the equivalent of not using a phone 50 years ago.

Thankfully Luddites will never prevail...
Amazingly, email is itself rapidly becoming old-school. My eldest and his SanFran/S.V. friends rarely use it; we remind him by text or google hangout to look for email if we sent him anything. Otherwise, he might see it weeks later. (And, at his job, the internal chat board is used instead of email for most communications)
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