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Old 03-17-2016, 01:46 PM   #41
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In retirement I have refused to buy a smartphone, and am doing just fine. Don't need a computer in my pocket, when I already have one at home. I have only a flip cell phone with text. I'm good It's funny how quickly people consider them a 'necessity'. Maybe for work, but not much else other than entertainment.
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In retirement I have refused to buy a smartphone, and am doing just fine. Don't need a computer in my pocket, when I already have one at home. I have only a flip cell phone with text. I'm good It's funny how quickly people consider them a 'necessity'. Maybe for work, but not much else other than entertainment.
You're right, nobody needs one. People choose them after considering the notion that they can save a bunch of their time. If you use a traffic app to save you 2 hours a week, that's a plus, not to mention the aggravation avoided. I see your avatar is about skiing, here in my state we have "snotel" stations that report snow conditions in real time at different locations in the mountains. Sure, you can wait till you get home to know the snow score if you insist. That's really just the tip of the iceberg.
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I can access all my email accounts from my phone. And it indicates, on the home screen, if there's an unread message, so no excuse, or as Midpack so eloquently put it, "Not my problem".

My iphone is my only phone, though "phone" is almost a misnomer, since the voice-calling feature is one of the least used.

Apps include numerous financial (banking, cc, insurance, investments), travel (airlines, rental cars, hotels, maps, weather, gps), social media (facebook, erorg, match, etc), and shopping (amazon, costco, overstock, florist, concert/movie tickets, pizza delivery...). Plus the ubiquitous text, camera, photo storage, music player, clock, compass, calculator...

Pretty handy contraption, if you ask me.
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Amazingly, email is itself rapidly becoming old-school. My eldest and his SanFran/S.V. friends rarely use it; we remind him by text or google hangout to look for email if we sent him anything. Otherwise, he might see it weeks later. (And, at his job, the internal chat board is used instead of email for most communications)
No argument, and yet I know people who still refuse to use/read their emails. I wonder why they have email addresses (not really)?
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Amazingly, email is itself rapidly becoming old-school. My eldest and his SanFran/S.V. friends rarely use it; we remind him by text or google hangout to look for email if we sent him anything. Otherwise, he might see it weeks later. (And, at his job, the internal chat board is used instead of email for most communications)
So, does that mean that luddiutes / old pharts / curmudgeons that never learned to use email will soon be considered leading edge and part of the vanguard?
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I find it somewhat humorous that we still call the super-computers "phones." That is probably the least used feature on mine (also a Republic Wireless user...between $10 and $14 a month depending on data). The phone part is important to me...my Dad isn't a young whipper snapper anymore and so if something happens, I would like him to be able to get a hold of me (as well as his medical monitoring and alarm companies). If he wasn't around, I would probably leave it at home quite a bit.

Also, I love the "you don't have to have it" argument. Sure, you don't need a microwave, either, but they sure come in handy sometimes, eh?
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I fought getting a smartphone passionately. My last manager insisted on it and I gave in. His reason for insisting drove me nutty. He'd recently had a coworker implement monitoring at a very low level(disk sector reallocation) so we now got several hundred pages a night. My beloved flip phone wouldn't keep up so the answer was 5 people needed smartphones so we could all not read hundreds of texts all night long.:what:

After I retired I woke up to the power of the technology. I could do many of the things with a dozen different solutions but why?
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I don't think anyone needs to be defended for his choices. I also think people who flatly state that a smart phone or a whatever is not needed is a bit too full of himself. Who appointed him to decide what other people may feel that they need?

This board can be Puratinville. I don't care if someone wants to sleep in a doorway on a sheet of cardboard. I don't, and I think these two different choices are a minimum level of self determination that we should have as over 21 citizens of a putatively free country

I don't have a car, and I know many others who do not have cars. Do I think that this means that cars are unnecessary? For me, I would say provisionally yes, but I can think of many things that could make this no longer true, and many people who have decided that it is far from true for them. For example my young and pretty neighbor who works a few blocks away is certainly in good health so she could walk to work. Yet she keeps a nice Lexus in her parking slot, because she wants it available to her. Is it my business to tell her or any other car owners that they don't need one or more? Don't think so.

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I've been mostly cutting/bleeding edge of technology for many years. I've had and used every OS on every desktop, laptop, phone and tablet (except for an Android tablet). We are currently using Windows 10 on 2 laptops, iOS on an iPad Mini (won it in a contest) and Android on 2 phones. I am running the stock OS as installed by Asus, my wife is running Cyanogenmod which I installed myself.

Having said that, I experiment with older technology just to keep it real I still use paper for certain tasks. I have discovered that I can read faster with paper books vs. Kindle - not sure why. But texting with plain cell phones is a major PITA after you get used to a smartphone keyboard. Maps, Google, etc. My wife uses VOICE to search things on Google. It's that good. Music in the car - streams on my phone vs the radio and the damned incessant ads. Many reasons I'll keep a smartphone of some sort.

My Dad is 85 and has already advanced from an iPhone to a big Samsung Android phone. He uses it a lot! My mom, not so much.
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I second Meadbh's opinion.
My mom was like that. Afraid to touch anything for fear of breaking something.

What worked with her (at least to some extent) was sitting with her and prompting her to use a phone (or a computer, same thing).

"Try something"
"What should I press?"
It doesn't matter, just try anything you think might work. You can't hurt it, and if you do I'll be here to fix it."

Repeat until the lesson begins to sink in.

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I had just the opposite experience. My dad, who passed away 3 years ago at the age of 88 was the gadget head I would seek out when my Apple, or iPhone wasn't doing what I thought it should do. At the assisted living center where he lived his last 4 years he was the GO TO guy for Apple issues. He was living in Ithaca, NY, and I was with him in Idaho when his phone rang at 6AM Mountain Time, when another resident from his community was having a computer issue.

One day I was fixing a tooth for him and every time my hands left his mouth, the iPhone came up. I chided him that I usually only have this problem with adolescents, and I typically only have to admonish once before the problem goes away. Not with Dad.
It just so happened that this is what we were doing when I once again asked him to get the phone out of my way and he said, "Herman Cain evidently put his hand up some woman's dress, who was not his wife."...
"Really? Dad? That couldn't wait until 4 O'Clock? My life is richer learning this right now?"
I thought it was funny, but he didn't really laugh. Maybe it was the novocaine.
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When I go out walking in our mountainous neighbourhood, I use MyAltitude to determine how high we have climbed. Try to do that on your PC with email! Another walker tracks number of steps taken. MY GCs do not use email. That is my problem! So I use what they use.
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When I go out walking in our mountainous neighbourhood, I use MyAltitude to determine how high we have climbed. Try to do that on your PC with email! Another walker tracks number of steps taken. MY GCs do not use email. That is my problem! So I use what they use.
LOL. Try doing that when you don't have a phone signal!

Whenever we backpack or do backcountry ski tours in the mountains we use a thing called topo maps. Remember those? And still do use them. Phones don't always get signals when you leave the comforts of the urban environment. We often go into places that don't have connectivity. I shake my head when I see folks who find themselves at a loss when they lose a signal
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LOL. Try doing that when you don't have a phone signal!
Most Map Apps don't need a cell signal. Now, if you don't have a satellite GPS signal you are kinda "in the dark" so to speak. (I say most because I couldn't really confirm that Google Maps is that reliable because I have a Blackberry and lack access to Google Play which the App claims is required. Nevertheless, it was able to locate me in "airplane mode" with no hesitation.
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Most Map Apps don't need a cell signal. Now, if you don't have a satellite GPS signal you are kinda "in the dark" so to speak. (I say most because I couldn't really confirm that Google Maps is that reliable...
You don't need a signal to use Google Maps on your phone provided you download the area in advance.

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Not really about "smartphones" but I do think it's relevant to the conversation.

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FREE ! - Well that's my favorite price ! I'll look into this when my time runs out on my TracFone plan.

What's the catch ?
No catch but you get what you pay for. Limited customer service/tech support (there's a forum you can post on and a FAQ...). It runs as a MVNO on the Sprint network (less coverage than Verizon's network; may not work in more rural areas). 500 MB per month free data is actually 400MB free data (something about not wanting you to consumer over 500 MB so they cap you at 400 MB??). Voice 200 minutes and it's VOIP over 3G/4G so call quality is variable (4G with 2+ bars = pretty solid like a regular cell quality call; 3G = somewhere between impossible to communicate and a crappy cell call).

Text = 500 per month.

I use about 2 minutes/month, a couple hundred MB, and a dozen texts. Almost exclusively stay within the city or on highways so coverage isn't an issue so far. For me it works perfectly and costs nothing (other than $50-100 for a cheap used Samsung Galaxy S3). Big YMMV of course!
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Well, I just bought my first ever smart phone two weeks ago (iphone 5c) and I love it as I thought I would! Two years ago I tried a Tracphone and found it very hard to use: not worth it. Then I got my first Apple product, an Ipad mini, and never looked back.

What pushed me over the edge this time was security. My landline/internet went down for 2 full days and I was left with NO means of communication in the house (I live alone). That proved to be a scary experience. I realized at my age I really need to carry a form of communication with me. So, bought a new 5c on Swappa and am using Ting.
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Most Map Apps don't need a cell signal.
Yes MyAltitude requires GPS and does not require Internet. Lucky thing since half the big hikes are out of cellular range.
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My reluctance to owning one originally was based as an unnecessary cost. With my cell carrier that has all been basically mitigated as now fully functional smartphones can be bought easily for under $100 and full use plans are only $5 higher than my dumb phone plan.
Now my only real reason for not owning one are 2 reasons. 1) I do not like anything in my pockets so my phone always stays in my car. 2) I can read words 20 feet away, but not inside arms length. I never carry glasses with me because of reason #1. So having one would provide no benefit. I also like the fact I only have to charge the dumb phone once a week.
Still I envision buying one this year because the front keyboard style text phone I have is discontinued and I will need one soon.


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One thing I can say the smartphone technology made life much easier was weight loss. We used MyFitnessPal to count calories and lose weight. I think they have a Web site but the phone or tablet is so much more convenient. One feature I liked was the ability to scan barcodes to enter our data. You could get a barcode scanner, I guess, for a pc but why add one more device?
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