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Old 01-09-2013, 03:10 PM   #41
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Diane Rehm show tomorrow to discuss her book: Captive Audience: The Telecom Industry and Monopoly Power in the New Gilded Age, published by Yale University Press in 2012. ( Kind of a funny title, come to think of it. Don't we all know there is no monopoly when it comes to Internet Service Providers?)

But she, a professor of Law at Yeshiva University, a visiting professor at Yale Law, the K School, Princeton and Harvard Law School, who served as the President's Special Assistant for Science, Technology, and Innovation Policy, and is a member of Mayor Bloomberg's Council on Technology and Innovation, is probably not a credible source.
"Credible"?--I dunno. "Impartial, evenhanded"? Definitely not
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Old 01-09-2013, 03:30 PM   #42
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I'm wondering if you're seeding the row to justify the objections you expect to make tomorrow, of if you'll hail her comments tomorrow and disclaim any implied predisposition. To make it clear... and since the only suggestion I recall anyone having made in this thread, so far, to resolve the issue of the high cost of high-speed Internet was theft of service, could you please outline precisely what you would propose?
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Wireless modem without security. Legal? Illegal?
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:29 AM   #44
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Wireless modem without security.
Foolish.

Those leaving wireless modems located on their premises unsecured invite abuse that they're held responsible for. In the end, you probably will be cleared of all charges and access to your home returned to you, but there is little solace in that after going through the process of being arrested under suspicion, based on transgressions others created capitalizing on your lax security. It is no fun having your home and property searched and possibly confiscated for a period of time.

For details, see: Innocent Man Accused Of Child Pornography After Neighbor Pirates His WiFi
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Foolish.

Those leaving wireless modems located on their premises unsecured invite abuse that they're held responsible for. In the end, you probably will be cleared of all charges and access to your home returned to you, but there is little solace in that after going through the process of being arrested under suspicion, based on transgressions others created capitalizing on your lax security. It is no fun having your home and property searched and possibly confiscated for a period of time.

For details, see: Innocent Man Accused Of Child Pornography After Neighbor Pirates His WiFi
Question about security. I was having problems with my dsl line a year or so ago and the at&t tech set me up with a wireless system. Seemed to make my situation run better so I said fine. I noticed that he set me up on WEP system. At the time he said it should provide me with good enough security although nothing is 100% safe.

Bicker's post got me to researching security and I see it may not be a good way to go. See below link. What do most people use here? WPA? I'm not the most computer savvy person in the world so not sure how much tinkering I want to tackle.

WPA vs WEP: How your Choice Affects your Wireless Network Security | Openxtra
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Question about security. I was having problems with my dsl line a year or so ago and the at&t tech set me up with a wireless system. Seemed to make my situation run better so I said fine. I noticed that he set me up on WEP system. At the time he said it should provide me with good enough security although nothing is 100% safe.

Bicker's post got me to researching security and I see it may not be a good way to go. See below link. What do most people use here? WPA? I'm not the most computer savvy person in the world so not sure how much tinkering I want to tackle.

WPA vs WEP: How your Choice Affects your Wireless Network Security | Openxtra
There is no doubt that WPA is much stronger security than WEP, but I really wouldn't worry about it, particularly if you live in a house rather than an apartment complex where many people can see your wifi hotspot. The chances of someone hacking into your network are very slim with WEP.
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Wireless modem without security. Legal? Illegal?
If you use one for your own network then it is legal, but as noted above you are opening up a big security hole.

If you use someone else's unsecured modem without their permission then it is illegal.

18 USC 1030 - Fraud and related activity in connection with computers | LII / Legal Information Institute
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I don't think that particular statute is talking about wifi access issues.
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There is no doubt that WPA is much stronger security than WEP, but I really wouldn't worry about it, particularly if you live in a house rather than an apartment complex where many people can see your wifi hotspot. The chances of someone hacking into your network are very slim with WEP.
Thanks. And most people in my neighborhood are older than me, so that should lower my risk even more.
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I don't think that particular statute is talking about wifi access issues.
I agree.
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I'm wondering if you're seeding the row to justify the objections you expect to make tomorrow, of if you'll hail her comments tomorrow and disclaim any implied predisposition. To make it clear... and since the only suggestion I recall anyone having made in this thread, so far, to resolve the issue of the high cost of high-speed Internet was theft of service, could you please outline precisely what you would propose?
Sharing internet may or may not violate the TOS. "Theft of service" is a legal term, however, and doesn't apply. There are no unlawful means to obtain the service if the provider (the neighbor) agrees to sharing.
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Question about security. I was having problems with my dsl line a year or so ago and the at&t tech set me up with a wireless system. Seemed to make my situation run better so I said fine. I noticed that he set me up on WEP system. At the time he said it should provide me with good enough security although nothing is 100% safe.

WEP was cracked some time ago, so it is not recommended. Current standard would be WPA2-PSK for home use. windows prior to XP SP3 didn't support WPA2 without a patch. WPA2 also is better wireless N speed.
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Wireless modem, with router, wired, security protected connection?
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There is no doubt that WPA is much stronger security than WEP, but I really wouldn't worry about it, particularly if you live in a house rather than an apartment complex where many people can see your wifi hotspot. The chances of someone hacking into your network are very slim with WEP.
There is a setting on all wifi routers that lets you turn off the broadcast of the hotspot name (SSID). You have to know what it is, of course, in order to connect to it because you aren't going to see it on a list of locals.

For those using Time Warner/Roadrunner, check out Earthlink. They are provisioned using the same TWC infrastructure and billing systems, and can often have cheaper service rates in markets where TWC has been confident enough to charge a premium.
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There is a setting on all wifi routers that lets you turn off the broadcast of the hotspot name (SSID). You have to know what it is, of course, in order to connect to it because you aren't going to see it on a list of locals.

For those using Time Warner/Roadrunner, check out Earthlink. They are provisioned using the same TWC infrastructure and billing systems, and can often have cheaper service rates in markets where TWC has been confident enough to charge a premium.
Turning off the broadcast of the SSID is a good move.
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Internet speed and stability is a big deal to me. It is my #2 criteria when I choose a place to live, right behind cost of living. Not only are most of my hobbies related to it, but I will eventually be using it for 100% of my work, so it will be a very big deal that I have multiple options with various speeds and prices. That basically knocks out a most of the country, kind of sad. My work would subsidize a large chunk of the costs, so I have deeper pockets than most for it.

If I want to have a substantial amount of choice, there is basically only one city in the entire country that goes way beyond 65mbps upstream (upstream is how you really separate them) and provides a truly stable latency connection, though a second one is just starting to establish itself. Even if I just want a dependably low ping connection, I am limited to less than 1/5 of the country, in which the ISPs mostly no longer compete except in the two previous cities I mentioned, it takes some serious digging to even find the areas that do make some sort of attempt at competing.
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I've got Verizon Fios bundled TV, Internet and phone. Don't ask me why I keep the landline but we do use it 90% of the time when home rather than the cell phone. I really don't understand the internet speeds that well but we have 35/35 what ever that is. They have a promotion going now to upgrade to 75/35 for a few more bucks a month. However, you have to sign for a two year agreement. Current cost is $40/month. Don't know what the 75/35 would give me except faster downloads and I don't need that.

Had a little go around the other day with a Verizon billing lady (this happens monthly). Their service is great but their billing sucks. I am convinced that they put this junk on bills and hope you don't catch it. I'll bet there are many people that just pay it every month and never even look at the detail. I catch something almost every month.

Anyway, I keep telling Verizon that I might go back to Brighthouse service. Sometimes they will give me a credit or free something for six months. My total bill runs about $178/month. I told them that if I can't keep it at $175/month, I'll just go back to Brighthouse or a dish service.
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Have just finished listening to the Diane Rehm show. Direct link to audio:

Audio Player | The Diane Rehm Show from WAMU and NPR

The interview with Susan Crawford will set your teeth on edge. It wasn't what I expected...
The essence was that the internet is a monopoly that was bought, owned and paid for by the four big players... Comcast, Time Warner, At&T and Verizon, who have divvied up the territory to avoid competition, and who have developed a revenue stream of income without investing in infrastructure.
The case was made that by restricting internet broadband to the higher income areas, with no impetus to widen the coverage and to increase affordability,.. that the end result was to place a very high percentage of the US Public in a non competitive role in the future of an economy increasingly dependent on high tech.

That's my "take" on the program. IMO, very worthwhile.
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I really don't understand the internet speeds that well but we have 35/35 what ever that is. They have a promotion going now to upgrade to 75/35 for a few more bucks a month.
Johnnie, 35/35 is 35 megabits per second download, + 35 megabits per second upload (probably half duplex, and half duplex vs full duplex is a different discussion), which is probably way way way faster than anything that you can connect to. Unless you have a herd of people at your location sharing this connection, it should be plenty fast for you (a herd would be at at the very least 3 or more people streaming video or other bandwidth intensive activities simultaneously). You probably do not need to upgrade to 75/35 yet, but if you can get it on a trial for a month and revert to 35/35 if you want to, then try it and see if you like it.

Here, we are two and have FiOs at 15/5 and we rarely need more bandwidth.
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Two comments:

1. I just so happened to call Time Warner Cable today and simply asked for them to look at my service and see how we could trim some cost (Internet, tv, DVD = $130). She came back and said they could " rebundle" my plan for a year and cut it by $15/month with no change in service. Done.

2. I just moved from Texas - a fairly low cost of living state I believe. However the idea of deregulation is not popular there with regards to electricity rates. It is a silly game trying to manage and re-negotiate electric providers and contracts when it all comes from the same plant! Highest electricity I have ever paid.
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