Join Early Retirement Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Is an inkjet a good choice for me?
Old 11-20-2007, 03:00 PM   #1
Full time employment: Posting here.
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 607
Is an inkjet a good choice for me?

We are looking for a new printer/all-in-one and are thinking about this:

Costco - $89.99 After Rebates Brother MFC-5460cn Color Multi-Function Inkjet Printer

We don't print much at all, maybe a few times a month. I really would like an all-in-one since I had this grandiose vision of scanning it a lot of the paper documents and making an electronic off-site backup. I also would like to make the occasional copy of something, so a flat-bed copier would be nice. We would never need to print photos on this since we just take it to Costco, so no urgent need for color. And, I love that this can be networked directly without a print-server.

So, the only thing that makes me nervous is since we print so infrequently, I'm worried about the cartridges drying out. Is this still a common occurrence? I know that some inkjets refuse to work if one of the colors run out (or dryout) and this would piss me off. I guess a black and white laser all-in-one is probably the best choice, but they all seem to be several times the cost of this printer.

Any advice? Thanks.
WanderALot is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 Early Retirement and Financial Independence Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

Are you planning to be financially independent as early as possible so you can live life on your own terms? Discuss successful investing strategies, asset allocation models, tax strategies and other related topics in our online forum community. Our members range from young folks just starting their journey to financial independence, military retirees and even multimillionaires. No matter where you fit in you'll find that Early-Retirement.org is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with our members, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create a retirement blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 11-20-2007, 04:37 PM   #2
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posts: 1,979
Quote:
Originally Posted by WanderALot View Post
We are looking for a new printer/all-in-one and are thinking about this:

Costco - $89.99 After Rebates Brother MFC-5460cn Color Multi-Function Inkjet Printer

We don't print much at all, maybe a few times a month. I really would like an all-in-one since I had this grandiose vision of scanning it a lot of the paper documents and making an electronic off-site backup. I also would like to make the occasional copy of something, so a flat-bed copier would be nice. We would never need to print photos on this since we just take it to Costco, so no urgent need for color. And, I love that this can be networked directly without a print-server.

So, the only thing that makes me nervous is since we print so infrequently, I'm worried about the cartridges drying out. Is this still a common occurrence? I know that some inkjets refuse to work if one of the colors run out (or dryout) and this would piss me off. I guess a black and white laser all-in-one is probably the best choice, but they all seem to be several times the cost of this printer.

Any advice? Thanks.
You talk like you will have relatively low volume of prints or copies, so yes, inkjet is a very good way for you to go. I would not worry about the ink cartridges drying up. I also do relatively low volume and may go weeks or even months not printing. Never had a problem with "dried up" ink.

I have heard some opinions that a dedicated printer, and a dedicated scanner, and a dedicated copier are more effective and reliable than an all in one tyring to be all things to all people. Never had an all in one myself though, so just hearsay.

I think one of the consumer magazines rated Hewlitt Packard printers with good reliabiltiy. Don't think the Brother brand fared as well. Canon I think also got scored fairly good for reliability. Check the consumer magazine reliability ratings for printers at your library.
__________________
Dreams Worth Dreaming are Dreams Worth Planning For. I Spent a Career Planning for Early Retirement.
RetireeRobert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 04:56 PM   #3
Moderator Emeritus
Nords's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Oahu
Posts: 26,856
Quote:
Originally Posted by WanderALot View Post
Is this still a common occurrence? I know that some inkjets refuse to work if one of the colors run out (or dryout) and this would piss me off.
Yes, this will piss you off.

Epson uses a chip that determines the user's urgency level, especially if it's Sunday night and a kid's school project is due the next morning, and chooses exactly that worst time to clog up.

http://www.early-retirement.org/foru...ath-26989.html

Quote:
Originally Posted by WanderALot View Post
I guess a black and white laser all-in-one is probably the best choice, but they all seem to be several times the cost of this printer.
Gotta price it out. We spent over $400 for a low-end color laser but it's never even burped, let alone had a problem requiring half an inkjet cartridge or high-priced special solvents to clear, so per page it's been cheaper than the inkjet. FWIW we've gotten nearly 3000 black-ink pages out of a 2000-page toner cartridge, and the other three cartridges are still a quarter-third full. YMMV, but the peace of mind has been priceless.

Another option would be to buy two of the Canons and throw one away when it stops working. Let me know if you want a couple Epson CX4800s to practice on!
__________________
*

Co-author (with my daughter) of “Raising Your Money-Savvy Family For Next Generation Financial Independence.”
Author of the book written on E-R.org: "The Military Guide to Financial Independence and Retirement."

I don't spend much time here— please send a PM.
Nords is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 05:00 PM   #4
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Rustic23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Lake Livingston, Tx
Posts: 4,203
I have had about a dozen HP inkjets. One of the main things about HPs is that the print head is in the cartridge. I like that. Presently we have a canon and an HP 4100. The HP was free with the computer. Works well and is an all in one. They told me they would have to charge me $70 more if I did not take the printer. Also HP ships with light loaded cartridges. So the first cartridge will last about 1/2 as long as the replacement.

A while back someone pointed out the advantage of going with one of the better known brands..... "The most popular printers will have supplies available for a long time". At the time you could not get laser cartridges for some printers that had not been out a year.
Rustic23 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 07:04 PM   #5
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
thefed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 2,203
i reccommend, highly, a brother 2040 laser b+w...they can be had for $100 easily, start @ newegg.

Their test toner will last a good 3500 pages, it prints quickly and flawlessly

I use my old all-in-one lexmark for scannign and copying purposes, but really dont copy much..so i dont know if there;s even any ink in there


one advantage to separate machines is that if theres an issue requiring replacement, you arent doing all 3 or 4 units at once.

$100 gets you a NICE laser printer, and geez....I'm sure a $49 Walmart specail Lexmark scanner/printer will do the ticket if you dont plan on doign a LOT of actual copying. I usually just scan, then print it on the laser anyhow



good luck, let us know what you decide
thefed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2007, 07:53 AM   #6
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
donheff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 11,318
Screw the color. DW brought home a couple of excessed B&W HP Lazerjet 5Ns from work a few years ago. She prints out huge briefs and decisions and these printers just keep on going. We will keep them as long as they work. I will send the few color photos I need to print to online services.
__________________
Idleness is fatal only to the mediocre -- Albert Camus
donheff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2007, 09:57 AM   #7
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern IL
Posts: 26,821
I'd be tempted to go color laser on my next purchase - but they are so HUGE!!! 30-40 pounds, won't fit on my printer shelf.

B&W laser would not cut it for me. Good for 90% of stuff, but sometimes you need color - kid's homework with charts, graphics, etc. I'm with donheff - for pictures, send them out to costco or wherever. But I still need basic color, just not photo-quality color.

-ERD50
ERD50 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2007, 10:54 AM   #8
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
TromboneAl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 12,880
I've printed 16,205 pages with my HP Officejet G85 all-in-one (had it since 1992?). I use the fax and scanning features regularly.

I had a brother laser before that and was happy with it.

I've finally given up on third party inkjet cartridges, taking even the unused ones in to be recycled ($3 credit at staples). Nothing but problems with printing -- the last straw was when one leaked out onto the desk.
__________________
Al
TromboneAl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2007, 12:36 PM   #9
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern IL
Posts: 26,821
Quote:
Originally Posted by TromboneAl View Post
I've printed 16,205 pages with my HP Officejet G85 all-in-one (had it since 1992?). I use the fax and scanning features regularly.

I had a brother laser before that and was happy with it.

I've finally given up on third party inkjet cartridges, taking even the unused ones in to be recycled ($3 credit at staples). Nothing but problems with printing -- the last straw was when one leaked out onto the desk.
How many cartridges have you gone through to print 16,205 pages? What do they cost you for HP originals?

I used nothing but the cheapest 3rd party carts in my old canons (and the kids and my moms). Less than $2 each for a lot of them. Seem to be OK. I've seen print heads clog when people used nothing but Canon brand - so it's hard to say if there is a difference in quality or not. Since my moms had the print head clog with the canon original, I've been getting these el cheapo ones for her and she has not had a head clog with them.

-ERD50
ERD50 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2007, 12:45 PM   #10
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posts: 1,979
Quote:
Originally Posted by TromboneAl View Post
I've finally given up on third party inkjet cartridges, taking even the unused ones in to be recycled ($3 credit at staples). Nothing but problems with printing -- the last straw was when one leaked out onto the desk.
I have used Office Depot house brand inkjet cartridges for 4 or 5 years now. Worthwhile price break over HP brand (even better if bought on occasional OD sales) and work good. Only one Depot cartridge ever clogged, it was right at the start. I took it back to Depot and they replaced it no questions asked. The replacement worked fine. So that was one problem out of dozens of cartridges.
__________________
Dreams Worth Dreaming are Dreams Worth Planning For. I Spent a Career Planning for Early Retirement.
RetireeRobert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2007, 12:46 PM   #11
Full time employment: Posting here.
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 607
Thanks for the help everyone. I think I'm going to look and see if I can find a cheap all-in-one BW laser. I don't use the color and I'm pretty sure the inkjets are going to aggravate me eventually. I could use separate devices for scan/fax and print, but I just don't have the space for it.

The frustrating part is that I have a hand-me-down HP (PSC 1350) all-in-one that refuses to scan/fax just because the ink cartridges are dry!
WanderALot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2007, 01:17 PM   #12
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern IL
Posts: 26,821
Quote:
Originally Posted by WanderALot View Post

The frustrating part is that I have a hand-me-down HP (PSC 1350) all-in-one that refuses to scan/fax just because the ink cartridges are dry!
try:

Do-It-Yourself InkJet and Laser Printer Repair (HP, Apple, Epson, and More) - fixyourownprinter.com

-ERD50
ERD50 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2007, 01:38 PM   #13
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
RunningBum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 13,202
I've only had a problem with inkjets drying up if I didn't print anything for 2-3 months. Print something once a month and you should be fine, if you want to go the cheaper inkjet route.
RunningBum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2007, 10:58 AM   #14
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
TromboneAl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 12,880
Quote:
How many cartridges have you gone through to print 16,205 pages? What do they cost you for HP originals?
I don't know how many cartridges I've used.

The place I'd gotten my cartridges, abacus24-7.com, sells a remanufactured BW + Color pack for $29.20. I bought the equivalent HP pack for $52 at Staples.

Other cheap inkjet tricks.

If you save electricity (about $10/year for me) by putting your printer on a power strip and shutting it off when not in use, be sure to turn it off at the printer first. This lets it park the heads before turning off. If you don't do that, they'll dry out.

Use Draft mode as the default printing mode (saves ink).

Avoid printing to paper. Print to PDF with Cutepdf.com and save reconcile reports, etc to a file.

Staples will give you $3 for used HP cartridges. If you peel the label off a reman cartridge, there's often an HP label underneath.

--------------

Here's a comparison of the self-test reports from the printer for the reman (left) and HP cartridges. P0001458.JPG
Even when the remans are working OK, the HPs seem to give more saturated colors with less streaking.
__________________
Al
TromboneAl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2007, 03:20 PM   #15
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern IL
Posts: 26,821
Quote:
Originally Posted by TromboneAl View Post
Other cheap inkjet tricks.

If you save electricity (about $10/year for me) by putting your printer on a power strip and shutting it off when not in use, be sure to turn it off at the printer first. This lets it park the heads before turning off. If you don't do that, they'll dry out.

Use Draft mode as the default printing mode (saves ink).

Avoid printing to paper. Print to PDF with Cutepdf.com and save reconcile reports, etc to a file.
Those are good points T-Al.

A friend mentioned how much slower his new printer was than his old, even though it was an 'upgrade'. I pointed out that sometimes the new printer's default may be much higher than the old, so it takes longer to print all those extra dots, even though the rate it is printing dots is faster. I have some diff quality modes saved as settings and almost always use a 'medium' setting (probably a step up from 'draft'). It is good enough for 99% of what I print. Saves a lot of ink, and prints maybe 4x faster.

OSX has a 'Save as pdf' built right into the standard print dialog box. I use it a lot.

-ERD50
ERD50 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2007, 03:44 PM   #16
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
cute fuzzy bunny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Losing my whump
Posts: 22,708
I've found b&w all-in-ones for under $100 on sale. Inkjets dried out on me all the time and I got sick of getting 10 pages of output from a set of cartridges. Nice to blow the cat hair off of the laser that hasnt been turned on in six months and fire out a dozen pages.

I bought a color laser more than 3 years ago for $499 and i've still got half the toner left in it. Price per page is pretty good so far.

Newegg has a couple of mono multifunctions for under $150. Dell is selling a mid range business model for $339 (in the outlet) that'd probably last you 6-8 years. Check your office supply stores and local electronics outfits like Staples and Fry's.

I've had no trouble with the flatbed MFC's. Every one of the page fed MFC's I've bought developed feed problems with the input for fax/copy in a very short time. Probably all that cat hair.
__________________
Be fearful when others are greedy, and greedy when others are fearful. Just another form of "buy low, sell high" for those who have trouble with things. This rule is not universal. Do not buy a 1973 Pinto because everyone else is afraid of it.
cute fuzzy bunny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2007, 03:46 PM   #17
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
Ed_The_Gypsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: the City of Subdued Excitement
Posts: 5,588
We have a Canon MP730 (our second one) multi-function colour ink jet. We are very happy with it. It has a very good scanner and we do a LOT of colour printing and copying with it.

In my office away from home I have a little cheapie Canon colour ink jet (very happy with) and a little Brother multifunction printer. I needed a fax and wanted a flat-plate scanner and got both. I don't use the Brother for printing. It looks flimsy but for the price and how little I use it, it is great. Experimenting with scanning my technical references into PDF files so I can burn them onto CDs. (Anyone have good success with this? What software are you using?)

We buy our replacement cartridges from Carrot Ink ("Save a bunch!") over the internet. Very fast service.

The printer manufacturers are getting tougher on replacement cartridge companies. There are now chips in the cartridges for the newer printers so that you can ONLY use the manufacturer's ink cartridges.

Cheers,

Gypsy
__________________
I have outlived most of the people I don't like and I am working on the rest.
Ed_The_Gypsy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Electric Choice in MD jazz4cash FIRE and Money 10 09-09-2007 06:28 PM
Pasta: A better choice wildcat Health and Early Retirement 2 08-08-2007 08:10 PM
job choice semtex FIRE and Money 44 07-13-2006 08:32 AM
Did you buy an Epson inkjet printer 1999-2006? Nords Other topics 5 04-18-2006 11:45 PM

» Quick Links

 
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:15 AM.
 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.