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Old 11-27-2007, 08:04 PM   #21
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On the subject of how our cultures differ I'm seeing a new story on the news today where an english teacher in Saudi Arabia let one of her students name a teddy bear Mohamed and for that she is facing the possibility of 40 lashes.
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:17 AM   #22
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The Saudi foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, announced even before he got to Annapolis that there would be no handshakes with any Israelis. Too bad. A handshake alone is not going to get Israel to give back the West Bank. But a surprising gesture of humanity, like a simple handshake from a Saudi leader to an Israeli leader, would actually go a long way toward convincing Israelis that there is something new here, that it’s not just about the Arabs being afraid of Iran, but that they’re actually willing to coexist with Israel. Ditto Israel. Why not surprise Palestinians with a generous gesture on prisoners or roadblocks? Has the stingy old way worked so well?


Here is a piece from Friedmans oped today.

think about it, the Saudis are still playing stupid even with trying to live in peace with Israel.
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On the subject of how our cultures differ I'm seeing a new story on the news today where an english teacher in Saudi Arabia let one of her students name a teddy bear Mohamed and for that she is facing the possibility of 40 lashes.

Its in the Sudan.
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I suspect that these last posts are actually tongue in cheek, but on the chance that they are not, I would like to add my POV.

I feel that for any of us to unilaterally try to cut down on oil usage for any reason other than to save money is nuts. It's like not wanting to fly to control your carbon footprint. What BS! My carbon footprint is miniscule already, and if it weren't I wouldn't care. Let some hypocrite like AL Gore control his first.

As for those tiny cars, no thanks! I drive a compact, but if I could afford an Audi S-8, I'd be driving one of them.

I've been in a head on crash at speed-hit by a drunk-and I will never drive or ride in anything smaller that the car that enabled me to survive that.

If all this stuff is important, it needs to be tackled on a worldwide political basis. There are a lot of things one can do by himself, but saving the world is not one of them.

How stupid would you feel if you became paraplegic from an accident in a Yaris, knowing that your senator is flying around the world on some boondoggle? Or if your wife or girlfriend or date was killed in your car, because you wanted to unilaterally save the world by saving petroleum?

What is all the money we saved for, if not to make our lives and our loved ones' lives safer and more pleasant?

Besides, I am still loaded with oil industry plays, so get out and burn those hydrocarbons! Old Ha needs it! How else am I going to get my S-8?

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This post is a great example of why the US will always be leading user of oil per capita in the world. While I totally understand the concept of a bigger vehicle for safety (and I see you're driving a compact car so I'm not knocking you personally), there are still so many people in the US driving large SUV's for safety sake when they could probably be just as safe in a smaller vehicle getting much better gas mileage. I live in Dallas, Texas and you see many people driving trucks (probably more trucks in Texas than any other state) and I can't imagine that many of them actually use their truck for anything other than transportation (i.e. they don't need them for their job or rarely haul anything). It's an image thing here. Fortunately as the price of gas goes up, by shear economic necessity many of those vehicles will be replaced by something more energy efficient. It will just take time.
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I'm afraid that driving a smaller car to use less fuel may not be as big a help as imagined. Who do you think is investing in this country and it's business? The fine folks from the Middle East! I do not think the rich Arabs are dumb enough to put all their wealth back into the oil industry. They are capitalizing on other markets and businesses around the world. When the oil boom ends, (in their next generation?), it will continue to be life as normal since they will have secured their fortunes...and diversified into other things. Smart people are smart people no matter where they live. What their culture is about...well, that is quite another story...

One good example...Here in South Carolina, they have just bought a huge plot of land near Charleston and will develop that into a huge warehousing terminal complex for the shipping industry. I see in the news quite often about other Middle East exploits in this country.

I don't see any answer to the oil tragedy, other than waiting for hydrogen/nuclear, or some new type of energy source to come around. As smart and shrewd businessmen, the Arabs will be invested in that, and we will be funding their way of life as we do today. Hope that's not too negative...but that's just the way I think things work. Business is business.
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This post is a great example of why the US will always be leading user of oil per capita in the world.
Agreed, we have a long way to go on this one.

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there are still so many people in the US driving large SUV's for safety sake when they could probably be just as safe in a smaller vehicle getting much better gas mileage. I live in Dallas, Texas and you see many people driving trucks (probably more trucks in Texas than any other state) and I can't imagine that many of them actually use their truck for anything other than transportation (i.e. they don't need them for their job or rarely haul anything). It's an image thing here.
A few years ago I heard the stat that 82% of trucks were used primarily for commuter (non-truck) type purposes.

The irony on the SUV thing is that many of these 'safe' SUVs are at highest risk for rollover accidents.
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Ha, your argument is straight from the economists' Tragedy of the Commons. Still, I'm not sure why you thought the car posters (if they are to whom you're referring) are tongue-in-cheek. I am keeping my ultra-safe Saab for three reasons: 1.) dumping a functioning car and buying any new car is a waste of $ far outweighing any actual fuel savings; 2.) I know the fuel that went into making either the old or the new car is not reflected in its price; 3.) I drive very little. If I drove a lot in the city I would buy a Smart in a heartbeat. Easier parking for me!

As for the obsession with big cars, I came across this, which is more sad than funny:
Crooks and Liars Ľ Batsh*t Crazy “HUMMER” commercial
No indication of how you're s'posed to fuel the damn 9mpg thing after the first tankful (assuming you keep a full tank), during a disaster, possibly partially exacerbated by.. this very product!

You're right, though, in that I keep the thermostat at 68. I'm not a personal martyr to the conservation cause and spend freely to maintain my middle-class lifestyle. No hair shirts in my closet, but I do see the "inconvenient" writing on the wall.

The only way to wean ourselves off an ever-dwindling (but still currently widely available) resource is to make it such that we personally have something to gain by restricting our individual consumption. That could happen (sooner) via taxes or (later) via real shortages and huge price hikes to the point where many will decide to, or be forced to, commute on bikes and/or on foot and/or demand the expansion of public transportation and the opening of the highways to horse-drawn traffic.

Our having 'found' the utility of non-renewable fuels created the Industrial Revolution and all the subsequent luxuries we now enjoy in large numbers. One used to have to have dozens of human slaves or serfs to produce the work of a few gallons of oil, so there our luxuries got democratized as well.

It's like a farmer who finds a huge boulder of gold on his land and quits farming and spends the gold to outfit himself and his family in grand style and enriches the town via his purchases. What happens to the farmer and the town when the gold runs out? We will, I imagine, be back to farming with a horse and plow.. having to learn all over again how to survive. Maybe not you and me, and maybe not even your grandkids or their kids.. but still.. either that or we will go nuclear and just live with the toxic waste and radiation, kind of like an alcoholic drinking mouthwash and cleaning fluid when there's no Dom Perignon. ;-)

That said, the recent Bush ME "meeting" was an embarrassing hit&run affair with contempt written all over it. No surprise there, unfortunately.

Re: the Arabs.. I used to think it was even more improbable for them to be constructing financial centers in the middle of the desert as it was for "us" to sustain Las Vegas. I am seeing this in a whole new light now.. I think the Arabs are, for all their 'backwardness', incredibly far-sighted in this. When oil becomes really tight, the center of the universe will no longer be NYC or London. I think Bush is keen to ingratiate himself and his buds with the "less-roguish" elements in which he may envision a stake for him and his, while demonizing elements further from his control or interests.

To the extent that the Israelis are a helpful hedge against "rogue" elements like Iran, Bush will promote their cause. But the Saudis are a horse of a different color. They make the Bible illegal to possess and remain unchastised in the eyes of our Christian Leader; ya gotta ask yourselves why. (They are the top oil producer; we are the top oil consumer. Simple, really).

I don't want to foment any religious backlash either way, nor am I a super-Xtian, but here even a UK flight attendant is prohibited from taking her Bible with her on flights to the Saudi kingdom:
UK Foreign Office supports Saudi Bible ban

Belongs in the thread about parental financial aphorisms, but I remember my mom talking about "knowing which side your bread is buttered on." In food as in life, grease is king.

Redbugdave, the Arabs may be diversifying, but I wonder about the extent to which that is effectively happening. Why risk investing in what people do with the raw materials you supply, when you are sitting on a large part of their supply/fix, which is a given? That they may be investing in shipping (also remember the Dubai/ports brouhaha last year?) is unsurprising and hardly diversification since the ships don't sail w/o oil to fuel them, nor does the oil arrive w/o ships. Seems more of a vertical play, there.


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A few years ago I heard the stat that 82% of trucks were used primarily for commuter (non-truck) type purposes.
Come on, you don't want those soccer moms screaming obscenities on their cell phones to their husbands when they get stuck in half an inch of snow, do you?

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I would rather be in a car in a rollover than an SUV.......the car might have 2-3 less rolls...........
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I know there's a large difference in degree, but anyone notice the similarity between events like the OP brought up and events like this?

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I know there's a large difference in degree, but anyone notice the similarity between events like the OP brought up and events like this?
Do you mean the fact that they happen, or the apparent rise in media reporting on these events as they struggle to obtain "real" news, or the impression that the OP doesn't seem to be able to contribute anything else besides these types of "OMG!!!" sky-is-falling headlines?

Remember when we used to just not respond to ask Cut-Throat if this was a cocktail-hour post and then move on to other threads?
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Do you mean the fact that they happen, or the apparent rise in media reporting on these events as they struggle to obtain "real" news, or the impression that the OP doesn't seem to be able to contribute anything else besides these types of "OMG!!!" sky-is-falling headlines?
Which is why I continue to call him "Chicken Little", that title was earned...........
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This idiotic crap is why I didn't and wouldn't ever send a child to a public school. Take the bureaucratic mindset, marry it to weird US Puritanism, leaven with the quality of teachers and administration you might find in a public school-all this says to me that no one should be subjected to it, least of all anyone you care about.

Growing up in America is learning to deal with societal schizophrenia. I think it's best if the full nuttiness can be hidden from a child until he/she is old enough to laugh at it, while still keeping his/her flank protected.

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Which is why I continue to call him "Chicken Little", that title was earned...........

Whatever, but his posts do have content. No small achievement IMO. If I hadn't read this story, I would have appreciated seeing it here. Reading it you do find out something about the world. Is that true of all other threads/posts on this board?

Anyway, NewGuy shares some of my attitudes which I am forced to keep quiet about in daily life, lest I find myself relegated to category of weird old man. Therefore he is a vicarious outlet for me, while for some he presents an opportunity to demonstrate your superior sensitivity and awesome PC chops. So we should all give thanks for his posts.

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My point was this: when we hear about a story of a woman in trouble with the law because she did something as innocent as name a stuffed animal "Mohammed," we think "Oh, something like that could never happen in our enlightened country." But there are some extreme people here, and things similar to that do occur. That 17-year-old was sentenced to 10 years in prison.
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Whatever, but his posts do have content. No small achievement IMO. If I hadn't read this story, I would have appreciated seeing it here. Reading it you do find out something about the world. Is that true of all other threads/posts on this board?


So, it is done for effect?

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I like it when he presents his case, not some mantra about how much he hates Bush, which is well documented. Come to think of it, I like reading logic whether I agree with it or not...........
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When you think of New Guy, think of Walter Matthau only in much better physical condition. It will be more entertaining that way.

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Ok...........I understand it now...........
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Now I'm confused. I thought that when we think of New Guy, we were supposed to think of boo boo bear...... Or was that someone else?
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Now I'm confused. I thought that when we think of New Guy, we were supposed to think of boo boo bear...... Or was that someone else?
I think it's another of his personalities........
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