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Old 01-01-2008, 06:07 PM   #21
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The internet shows Moosehead as 5% alcohol which is above average. Twelve beers is quite a bit although I must say I know lot of guys that play poker and drink that much.
About 1/2 of them are alcoholic or problem drinkers the other half just are big guys that can consume lots of beers. If this guy drinks a lot everytime you see him than he is probably an alcoholic.
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Once/very occasionally, I'd call him a bon vivant and get on with life. Every weekend, I'd suggest he seek help.

Personally, I am pretty fagged out after a 6 pack or equivalent, so unless he's a lot bigger than me that is a lot of booze in one night.
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I found a blood alcohol level calculator on a defence lawyer's site.

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For what it's worth, I modelled kcowan's alcohol intake last night and mine, based on 300 lbs and 200 lbs respectively. To my surprise, both of "us" came under the legal limit. But IMHO I would not have been safe in the driver's seat. I wouldn't have wandered all over the road, but I would have been slower to spot hazards and to react, for sure.
Hey Audrey! Who are you calling 300 lbs? Try it for 220 and 120! Plus it does not handle differences in metabolization rates. I have to drive my Chinese friends home after just 2 drinks.

Plus it was just 4 blocks of side streets. But I could have driven across town and and through a spot check (and have done so and passed). My estimate is that I would have blown no more than 0.02 when I went home.

I do wonder about anyone drinking 12 Moosehead while his host watches in amazement. Not the kind of party I would enjoy!
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Hey Audrey! Who are you calling 300 lbs? Try it for 220 and 120! Plus it does not handle differences in metabolization rates. I have to drive my Chinese friends home after just 2 drinks.

Plus it was just 4 blocks of side streets. But I could have driven across town and and through a spot check (and have done so and passed). My estimate is that I would have blown no more than 0.02 when I went home.

I do wonder about anyone drinking 12 Moosehead while his host watches in amazement. Not the kind of party I would enjoy!
Based on 220 lbs and the time frame you stated, the calculator estimates your blood alcohol concentration as of 1 am as 149 mg/100 mls. I assumed you had one glass of wine per hour from 7 pm and that it was 5 oz and 12.5% alcohol.

Based on 120 lbs, I would also have been over the legal limit. In real life, I'm no Audrey!
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Based on 220 lbs and the time frame you stated, the calculator estimates your blood alcohol concentration as of 1 am as 149 mg/100 mls. I assumed you had one glass of wine per hour from 7 pm and that it was 5 oz and 12.5% alcohol.

Based on 120 lbs, I would also have been over the legal limit. In real life, I'm no Audrey!
Thanks Meadbh.
Now set my metabolization rate to 20.

(Maybe we can get together for some wine sometime and I will drive us home!)
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Try the old standard CAGE test:

C = have you ever CUT BACK on your drinking because of concerns?

A = have you ever been ANNOYED by comments others have made about your alcohol intake.

G = have you ever felt guilty about your drinking?

E = ever had an "eye-opener" (by your own decision, had alcohol before afternoon)

If you answer 2 or more your diagnosis of alcoholism is likely. 3 or more it's over 90%. Binge drinking is a bit different, but probably those serious, recurrent bingers in college are pre-alcoholic if not frankly so.
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Thanks Meadbh.
Now set my metabolization rate to 20.

(Maybe we can get together for some wine sometime and I will drive us home!)
OK, if I set your elimination rate to 20 mg/kg/hour, you are under the limit at all 30 minute intervals from 1 am to 2:30 am.

How do you measure your elimination rate?

I'll take you up on the invitation, but I'll still take a taxi home. (Blacktop cabs?)

Maybe we can try some BC wines?
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All y'all might try getting one of those $20 el cheapo "PAS" type BAC testers at radio shack and passing it around at a party. Watch all your friends who are pretty sure their BAC is really low blow a .12+.

As far as the 12 beer guy...well...I've sure seen my share of heavy drinkers and I can only remember one guy who drank more than 8 or 9 at one sitting. Both the guy who drank more and the ones that could suck down 8 or 9 either were alcoholics, ended up being alcoholics, or had to quit drinking altogether.

The lucky winner was my roommate Clay Blay (yep, real name) who was about 5'5" and about 250lbs. I was walking in front of him in a parking lot once and gave him a good ration of **** and he grabbed me by the back of my pants and held me over his head with one arm.

He drank a solid 24 beers one night, one right after the other. And dang it, I think it was Moosehead.

Which is terrible. Especially the antler marks on the thighs.
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Try the old standard CAGE test:

C = have you ever CUT BACK on your drinking because of concerns?

A = have you ever been ANNOYED by comments others have made about your alcohol intake.

G = have you ever felt guilty about your drinking?

E = ever had an "eye-opener" (by your own decision, had alcohol before afternoon)

If you answer 2 or more your diagnosis of alcoholism is likely. 3 or more it's over 90%. Binge drinking is a bit different, but probably those serious, recurrent bingers in college are pre-alcoholic if not frankly so.
Aww come on Rich...all those tests always say that everyone I know is an alcoholic.

Basically, any married guy is going to get the "A" and the "G" even if he's only drinking two drinks once a month!
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Okay, first, I'm not partying with Mead, after she pulls out the stats! But I do want to party with Keith!

Before I lost weight, I would say that I could comfortably drink two to three beers an hour over the course of an evening. That is a top of about 18 over 6 hrs, but I'd say on a good night, it would be between 6 and 12 apiece for my DH and I.
Now that we've lost weight, we're cheaper dates!
But I don't think we were alcoholics--we just lived on Folly Beach, party central for our area and it was the recreation for our group of friends. It is a tolerance thing, I think. We saw plenty of amateurs that couldn't hang with us. But here we are, middle aged now, and worried about the calories. Sigh.

For New Years, I probably had maybe 6-8 beers all night and was stone sober at midnight, listening to bluegrass in Asheville and watching the hippies.

Don't worry about your neighbor unless he starts puking on your car--that's when we'd get worried about our buddies.
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Well, Ha and drinking drivers do not do well in the same room. One killed a former GF of mine, and one hit me head-on and did me a fair bit of harm too. I am warming to the Salvadorian police response. Out of the car! Bang!

I walked to my party last night. If I'm not walking, I'm not drinking- or going anywhere on New Year's Eve for that matter. And neither do I walk around impaired. Too easy to get mugged or otherwise incur harm.

I took a bottle of wine to the party, uncorked it and had some. Anyone else who wanted any took it. When I went home about 1:15 or so it was only half empty.

There were maybe 60 people at the party, total, at various times. Nobody seemed to be drinking much. I think dancers don’t like to drink because it impairs their coordination, dehydrates them, and usually makes the men less attractive to the women. (At least the man's drinking does; maybe the woman's drinking makes the man seem more attractive.)

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all this talk about beer is making me sick, i think it's gross!!Come on....6 or 7 beers and not even buzzed?

That's why I stick to my liquor...cheaper, quicker,much better tasting
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12 beers...I'd say if he's not an alcoholic, he's well on his way. Just how much of a buzz does someone need anyway?
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That's why I stick to my liquor...cheaper, quicker,much better tasting
Wine is fine, beer is dear, but liquor is quicker...

Although IIRC you like those funny colored, sticky drinks...
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Did he drink 12 of your beers or did he bring his own? If the former, call him a fat drunk and never invite him over.
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I have an ex who would drink 12 or more in a "sitting" (aka a weeknight at home - yes, he was an alcoholic who also hid his drinking problems, but he had an XO who was from a neighboring hometown who dismissed TWO alcohol incidents - yes, he eventually ended up with a DUI!)
12 beers at a party where people are playing games, eating, dancing, etc...over a course of 6 hours or so...not sure this is behavior of an alcoholic. I second all the opinions regarding his typical behavior. Sarah, I'm with you...I am a social drinker who probably will have a beer or two in an hour, but have learned lately that my metabolism no longer cares for wine for these long parties (you know, the ones that go from drinks & appetizers to drinks & dinner to drinks & games/socializing .... all in all, 6:30 pm - 2 am or so!) Lesson learned: stick to beer for these shindigs and always pace/alternate with water!
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Yeah, the water/beer program works for me too! Saves you from that hangover!
I just can't do the wine--and truthfully, I think it is because it is harder to count than beers, because someone is always adding to your glass with wine. With beer, you can count your bottles!
And we always do the designated driver routine or stay where we drink (we live far out in the country on a road lined with massive oak trees, not a good place to practice drunk driving, that's for sure)--and oh, yeah, for New Years in Asheville we had a charming taxi driver (no way I'm driving on mountain roads, drunk OR sober).
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To my surprise, both of "us" came under the legal limit. But IMHO I would not have been safe in the driver's seat.
I think the legal limit is way too high here (.8 BAC). In Sweden, it's .2, and the attitude of party-goers is much different WRT drinking and driving. In this chart, I don't see any countries with a level higher than that of the U.S.
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This guy drank his own beer, which I wouldn't have cared about as he was the guest. How much can a 12 pack cost?
I did have a guy when I was in my mid-40's--who kept asking me to marry him--come over for an Easter dinner one time and get so sloppy drunk that he was blubbering and staggering all over my house. All I could think of was "if that s.o.b. destroys any of my antiques..." Mmmm...attractive. Needless to say, I never saw him again.
I didn't think of the high metabolism, but this guy goes out in a thin leather jacket in winter and no gloves, hat, anything, and shovels the snow all the time. Yeah, I would say his metabolism is high as we call him a "hot box" and tease him about it. (Why couldn't I have inherited that trait? I would never have to diet again!)
He's not big (5' 7-8"?), guessing a stocky, muscular medium in clothing, but, again, gets warm fast. I know this as I will be chilly in the house, and when he comes to visit he thinks the air is just fine.
Oh...I saw him yesterday outside and he was just normal. No hangover, nothing. Me, I would be sick for 2 days.
And, from my knowledge of his lifestyle, I don't think he drinks every single day at all. His job is pretty high powered, so he can't be too looped and do that kind of detail work daily.
He said he drinks like that occasionally. I asked. Who knows what the truth is as I don't live with him.
HOWEVER, drinking 12 beers did shock me and give me pause to say..."I wonder about this guy..." Which is why I asked for opinions.
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When originally asked to identify the BAC at which a driver would start to become too impaired to drive, the National Safety Council Committee on Tests for Intoxication (bet that was a fun place to work) came back with a .15 number.

Later on when MADD was pushing for a .10 limit, the AMA said it was now .10. A while later, it became .08.

So clearly, we as a country are losing our ability to hold our liquor. I cant think of any other explanation.
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