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Old 09-20-2005, 04:33 PM   #21
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It was 'baiting' of Boortz to suggest that Dems say "it's all Bush's fault." I'd guess it was put in to grab the attention of the reader or out of frustration. Now I haven't pored over every transcript of every interview given on the various news networks, but from the numerous interviews I've seen Democratic politicians or spokespeople of left-leaning organizations give, they spend about twenty to thirty seconds calmly and politely addressing the state and local issues ("Mistakes were made at all levels of government..."). The rest of the interview often becomes a federal/FEMA/Bush bashing event.
I feel that the current administration has received a pass for too long by a press who has seen its job as not finding the truth, but simply presenting both "sides", even if one side's position is completely ridiculous. Now I see the press doing a better job with calling people in government and government systems to task. So clearly we see things differently.


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Re: It's Bush's Fault, But of course
Old 09-20-2005, 07:05 PM   #22
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and we all know Democrats can do no wrong... :
Of course Democrats can do wrong. An example:

After Jeb Bush illegally moved or closed polling places in black districts, called out the state goons police to turn back voters, and subcontracted out to have voters names erroneously removed from the electoral polls, several members of the house attempted to have the senate prevent the certification of the election. This was appropriate, as voters civil rights were denied wholesale.

NOT ONE DEMOCRAT, not Ted Kennedy, not Al Gore, would validate the complaint.

There's an example for you of Democrats doing wrong....based on this lack of gumption I feel they deserve to be powerless. Problem is, the damage being done as the systems of checks and balances is dismantled.
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Bush has failed on so many levels before this, that it really does not matter.
Hi C-T. I agree with this statement, but would prefer anarchy to having the Dems
and libs in charge. I guess I am a kind of "yellowdog" conservative.
That is, I would vote for a yellow dog as long as it was
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I just want to know where the fiscal conservative Republicans are. We need them now.
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Of course Democrats can do wrong.* An example:

After Jeb Bush illegally moved or closed* polling places in black districts, called out the state goons police to turn back voters, and subcontracted out to have voters names erroneously removed from the electoral polls, several members of the house attempted to have the senate prevent the certification of the election.* This was appropriate, as voters civil rights were denied wholesale.

NOT ONE DEMOCRAT, not Ted Kennedy, not Al Gore, would validate the complaint.

There's an example for you of Democrats doing wrong....based on this lack of gumption I feel they deserve to be powerless.* Problem is, the damage being done as the systems of checks and balances is dismantled.
Bosco..............you need to relax man. Besides, this is old news. Sit back
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I just want to know where the fiscal conservative Republicans are. We need them now.
I assume there are still some around. Gutless?

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Bosco..............you need to relax man. Besides, this is old news. Sit back
and chill. Maybe with a nice chocolate drink

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might as well relax. Can't count on either party to behave sanely. Not too sure about the chocolate. I'm thinking beer.....

I think Bill Maher said it best when he pointed out that both parties behave idiotically, but that the Republicans are definitely meaner than the Dems.
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True. Also here's a tip: if you've been through a hurricane, and you find yourself getting hungry or thirsty, steal a large television or other electronic equipment. I hear it helps.
This is also Bush's fault. He secretly created a new cabinet post combining the NRA, Right to Life, Promise Keepers, Silver Ring Thing, FairTax.org and Bill O'Reilly and sent them to New Orleans to tell those people that there was Humanitarian Daily Rations stored inside those TV sets. While those were being collected the new cabinet group rounded up all the rabbits with pancakes on their heads and sent them to India in kayaks taking away the jobs of hundreds of pancake rabbit herders. The group is now comosing a proposed consitutional amendment to prohibit reusing or sectioning dryer sheets. And then they posted "Nazi" and "Hitler" to this thread.

Really. It's true. All us liberals know it.
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* *Couldn't resist.....(Bill Mahers open letter to W)

Mr. President, this job can't be fun for you any more.* There's no more money to spend--you used up all of that.* You can't start another war because you used up the army.* And now, darn the luck, the rest of your term has become the Bush family nightmare: helping poor people.* Listen to your Mom.* The cupboard's bare, the credit cards maxed out.* No one's speaking to you.* Mission accomplished.

Now it's time to do what you've always done best: lose interest and walk away.* Like you did with your military service and the oil company and the baseball team.* It's time.* Time to move on and try the next fantasy job.* How about cowboy or space man?* Now I know what you're saying:* there's so many other things that you as President could involve yourself in.* Please don't.* I know, I know.* There's a lot left to do.* There's a war with Venezuela.* Eliminating the sales tax on yachts.* Turning the space program over to the church.* And Social Security to Fannie Mae.* Giving embryos the vote.

But, Sir, none of that is going to happen now.* Why?* Because you govern like Billy Joel drives.* You've performed so poorly I'm surprised that you haven't given yourself a medal.* You're a catastrophe that walks like a man.* Herbert Hoover was a shitty president, but even he never conceded an entire city to rising water and snakes.

On your watch, we've lost almost all of our allies, the surplus, four airliners, two trade centers, a piece of the Pentagon and the City of New Orleans.* Maybe you're just not lucky.* I'm not saying you don't love this country.* I'm just wondering how much worse it could be if you were on the other side.

So, yes, God does speak to you.* What he is saying is: “Take a hint.”
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I think Bill Maher said it best when he pointed out that both parties behave idiotically, but that the Republicans are definitely meaner than the Dems.
People have felt this way from the start of the republic. Just put in "Whigs" and "Federalists" instead of "Democrat" and "Republican"
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Way to tap-dance around all the points brought up by Eagle43...

Seems to me that the knee-jerk response of some on the left is to bring out the Bush-bashing talking points when someone dares question the state and local response to the crisis.* After all, the local politicans were predominately Democrat, and we all know Democrats can do no wrong...* :
This seems to be standard neocon tactics these days. If someone points out failures of Bush, they aim the Rove attack machine at a Democrat and draw attention away from Bush's failure. Apparently they feel that if they splatter enough blame and accusation elsewhere, then Bush is exonerated. So far, this seems to work with their knee-jerk core supporters.

I can't help but wonder if they fall for this childish diversion with their own children. When they discover their child doing something wrong, do they withdraw objection if the child says, "Billy was doing it too"?

Bush really f#cked up with FEMA and the Katrina response. I'm sure other's screwed up too. But that does not exonerate Bush. He really f#cked up badly. Let's be clear. He chose to do the things that are bankrupting this country -- granting massive tax breaks to the wealthy elite without cutting spending to correspond with these breaks and waging a personal war on Iraq without making budget adjustments to pay for it. These choices really limit how we can respond to Katrina. He chose to send hundreds of thousands of National Guard troops to Iraq without considering the effect of internal response for emergencies. He chose to sit in Crawford on vacation for a full day without making any response after Katrina. He chose to put FEMA in the hands of a horse dealer.

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the following is an open letter from Bill Maher to George W. Bush
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Mr. President, this job can't be fun for you any more. There's no more money to spend--you used up all of that. You can't start another war because you used up the army. And now, darn the luck, the rest of your term has become the Bush family nightmare: helping poor people. Listen to your Mom. The cupboard's bare, the credit cards maxed out. No one's speaking to you. Mission accomplished.

Now it's time to do what you've always done best: lose interest and walk away. Like you did with your military service and the oil company and the baseball team. It's time. Time to move on and try the next fantasy job. How about cowboy or space man? Now I know what you're saying: there's so many other things that you as President could involve yourself in. Please don't. I know, I know. There's a lot left to do. There's a war with Venezuela. Eliminating the sales tax on yachts. Turning the space program over to the church. And Social Security to Fannie Mae. Giving embryos the vote.

But, Sir, none of that is going to happen now. Why? Because you govern like Billy Joel drives. You've performed so poorly I'm surprised that you haven't given yourself a medal. You're a catastrophe that walks like a man. Herbert Hoover was a ****ty president, but even he never conceded an entire city to rising water and snakes.

On your watch, we've lost almost all of our allies, the surplus, four airliners, two trade centers, a piece of the Pentagon and the City of New Orleans. Maybe you're just not lucky. I'm not saying you don't love this country. I'm just wondering how much worse it could be if you were on the other side.

So, yes, God does speak to you. What he is saying is: “Take a hint.”

ok, ok, it might be a tad unfair in places but it sure hits the nail on the head in some...
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Seems to me that the knee-jerk response of some on the left is to bring out the Bush-bashing talking points when someone dares question the state and local response to the crisis. After all, the local politicans were predominately Democrat, and we all know Democrats can do no wrong...

Probably just knee jerk reactions of the left!

I just can't wait until the Country gets back to real problems like stains on Blue Dresses and lying about it. It must have been really serious because the President was impeached for it!

Does anyone think this was a knee jerk reaction by the right?
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I just can't wait until the Country gets back to real problems like stains on Blue Dresses and lying about it. It must have been really serious because the President was impeached for it!
Cut-throat,

You think the President lying under oath isn't a serious matter? Maybe your laid back standards of ethics is a result of your political leanings?

Slick Willy should have said, "My fellow Americans: Yeah, she sucked it. So what, I'm human, too. I cheated on my wife. It is a personal matter between Hillary and I. Does anyone have a couch I can sleep on for the next few months while I'm in the doghouse?"



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Slick Willy should have said, "My fellow Americans: Yeah, she sucked it.* So what, I'm human, too.* I cheated on my wife.* It is a personal matter between Hillary and I.* . . .


If it's a personal matter, why should he have had to address the country about it? It seems to me that the right insisted that it wasn't a personal matter -- that it was their right to know and judge. Isn't that what you are saying when you indicate that he should have addressed America about it?
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Cut-throat,

You think the President lying under oath isn't a serious matter?* Maybe your laid back standards of ethics is a result of your political leanings?*
Bush solves this by simply not discussing things under oath.
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Bush solves this by simply not discussing things under oath.
Nah, he'd probably perfer to to discuss things under the influence.
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Cut-throat,

You think the President lying under oath isn't a serious matter?* Maybe your laid back standards of ethics is a result of your political leanings?*

Slick Willy should have said, "My fellow Americans: Yeah, she sucked it.* So what, I'm human, too.* I cheated on my wife.* It is a personal matter between Hillary and I.* Does anyone have a couch I can sleep on for the next few months while I'm in the doghouse?"*

Really? - Do you really think that this is anyone's business besides Hillary's? You are very strange indeed if you think a President or even a citizen should be inflicted with this line of questioning?

Maybe your cramped up style of ethics and political leanings does not really understand the concept of Freedom? You can find plenty of countries in the Middle East that are as uptight about sex and freedom as you seem to be. *

What part of Freedom don't you understand?
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Really? - Do you really think that this is anyone's business besides Hillary's? You are very strange indeed if you think a President or even a citizen should be inflicted with this line of questioning?

Maybe your cramped up style of ethics and political leanings does not really understand the concept of Freedom? You can find plenty of countries in the Middle East that are as uptight about sex and freedom as you seem to be. *

What part of Freedom don't you understand?
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and not start mixing it up with the "great unwashed". C-T, you need to get a grip, and not let the "little people" get to you.

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