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Old 03-04-2008, 03:14 PM   #21
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Totally in agreement with clifp, Gloria's comments are insulting in the extreme. Whether you like McCain's politics or not, the man DID make a HUGE personal sacrifice. But then I am one person who, despite not being for the Vietnam War, never understood why people spit on the soldiers returning; and I was living in D.C. during that time, so I saw alot of anti-war demonstrations. Unnecessary cruelty to those who put their asses on the line for us back home.
I think Gloria Steinem cheapened herself by making this belittling comment.
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Old 03-04-2008, 03:31 PM   #22
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Especially in the Bill Clinton White House.
or govenor's mansion........
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clifp,

I'm in agreement with your post, except for:

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Every POW I've ever heard speak (and I just heard a WWII Tuskegee airman speak a few weeks ) says that being shot down is no great accomplishment, far from it means you screwed up big time.

Getting shot down can sometimes be the fault of the aviator, but sometimes not. Sometimes the tactics, stealth, standoff jamming, and onboard ECM work, and sometimes they don't.

I wouldn't try to tell an 8th AF crewmember who bailed out over Germany in 1944 that he'd screwed up. They generally hadn't "screwed up"--they were just gritting their teeth, staying in formation, and hoping the 88s didn't find their mark. Kinda like a sub crew listening to the depth charges fall around them and doing a little thinking about mortality.
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I'm in agreement with your post, except for:




Getting shot down can sometimes be the fault of the aviator, but sometimes not. Sometimes the tactics, stealth, standoff jamming, and onboard ECM work, and sometimes they don't.
I completely agree Sam. But was I paraphrasing two pilots who were shot down, Alex Jefferson Tuskegee airman and Jerry Coffee fellow POW of McCain, who made the point the being shot down doesn't make you a hero...

Victims have a great opportunity to become heros, but not all victims become heroes. The media has a bad habit of confusing the two.
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The media has a bad habit of confusing the two.
Why don't those media folks just go to Gloria for the scoop? She's an expert and can set them straight.
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