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Old 09-01-2012, 08:10 AM   #41
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Never hated my job, just after 32 years kind of got tired of doing it.
+1, though it took me 35 years.
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Old 09-01-2012, 08:18 AM   #42
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I see the new young people at work buying cars that cost three times what I have ever paid for one. Bigger houses than I have after many years of work. They think they have it made. They are just hammering the chains around their feet. When they wake up in ten years they may see what situation they are really in.
Well said, though it's all generations, not just the young. Who here doesn't know someone his/her own age who is still measuring themselves by what stuff they have while having little or no nest egg. And some folks don't wake up after ten years if ever. I know a guy in his 80's who still lives for "stuff."

Madison Ave has most people in the western world at least trained to consume beyond all reason...they've prevailed for generations.
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This kind of thing breaks my heart. I know a couple that just spent 7 years painstakingly getting out of debt. Much scrimping and sacrifice, mostly on the part of the wife who seized control of the checkbook. Now that they are debt free, the guy is insisting on buying a 55K vehicle. INSISTING. He says he's earned it. (I don't know what they bring home, probably 60k ish) Zero retirement savings. Two young kids.

Wife doesn't want to spend the money but is getting worn down from the constant argument.. I want to hug her. And smack him.
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Old 09-01-2012, 10:00 AM   #43
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Madison Ave has most people in the western world at least trained to consume beyond all reason...they've prevailed for generations.
And it's also painful to break. Because once they have us collectively trained for the "conspicuous consumption" mentality, to live for the relentless pursuit of stuff, it becomes very painful for the economy if a bunch of people decide at once to break themselves from that ideal (the paradox of thrift).

So now we have a situation where economists and politicians, who for years have warned us of a low savings rate and that we spend too much and borrow too much, are telling us that we have to spend more, that we're actually saving too much -- and entities like the Fed are trying to put a stop to it by forcing savings yields to very nearly zero.

It reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw not long ago: I was cheap before cheap was cool.
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Old 09-02-2012, 03:46 PM   #44
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A lot of those people that bought the big houses have lost those houses and the other toys with the housing and economy crash. Many of them have just walked away from those chains. I don't think their idea of retiring is anything like we think it is. No shoreline on their horizon. Most are in credit up to their eyeballs and really never owned anything. To me that is a living hell.
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Old 09-02-2012, 03:56 PM   #45
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AFAIC, "J*b Satisfaction" is in the same category as "too many mushrooms" on a pizza. It ain't gonna happen.

I actually enjoyed my j*for for the first 10 years.
The last 8 were dismal.
I exited at age 48, waaaaay ahead of the curve.

Do the math and I'm still ahead of the game.

The biggest problem I had, in what a lot of folks would refer to as the "cushy govt j*b", and I take no offense at that, was the people issue. The politics were cut-throat. And I was swimming upstream from day 1 due to a massive gender inequity in the w*rkplace population.
I was never good at puckering my lips, and I paid for that. At least I kept my self-respect.
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Old 09-02-2012, 05:52 PM   #46
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I actually liked my various jobs , for the first ~40 years. For a whiile I might have worked for free (LOL, but I liked it enough I would have taken less). Then, at then end, mega-corp asked my to leave a job I loved to start a new area. I was the star, this was new and exciting, no budget, no limit, I didn't like it. However, the shine wore off quicker the better job I did. Mega-corp had made the mistake of giving me a chanve to be FI and I was OOT.

All in all, working life was good. I enjoyed it for 38 of 41 years. I can't imagine spending 10, 20, 30 or 40 years at a job you hate just to RE 4 years before you would if you did something you didn't like.

Edit to add a negative at the end.
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