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Old 09-23-2005, 08:46 AM   #61
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Incidentally, can you imagine trying to move 1-2 million people in Europe anywhere? What would they take, the Metro? Remember there are 500,000 people who have fled Katrina, most still living somewhere else. This once again proves the the good ole USA (and Texas, BTW) can "get 'er done". Sure there's going to be problems (to wit, the exploding bus this morning), and sure there's going to be the whiners who will carp about anything that does go wrong. But, this a move of mammoth proportions, which I don't believe has ever been done, so fast. These people are being relocated, they are getting food, medicine, etc. Might be uncomfortable, but safe.
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Re: Katrina II (aka Rita)
Old 09-23-2005, 09:22 AM   #62
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Filled up the gas tanks on both vehicles.* Also bought 12.5 gallons extra, and put it* in cans.* Wanted more, but could not find any five-gallon cans.* Everybody doing the same thing, I expect.* If the refineries are shut down for a week or so, not only will be paying more, we could be OUT of gas.* So, don't wanna be unprepared like the New Orleanians.* Rather have some and not need it, than vice versa.* I can drive 400+ miles on a full tank with the Cambry and 380# miles on full tank with the F-150.* That and the extra ought to hold us until the refineries are back up and running.

I also have in-laws who live in Houston.* They're in Austin, now.* Took about 12 hours to make the drive.
Gas prices jumped here (Nothern Illinois) since yesterday, so I went back
into "Katrina" mode, filled a few cans and topped off the vehicles
(30 gal. tank on the truck ouch!)

A question, Last winter I went to Texas and found the biggest (on land)
oil rig I ever saw, drilling right next to a Methodist church. Now, there is
nothing unusual about that in Texas, but this thing was "huge", with
temp. housing and loads of equipment sitting around.
A month ago, I am back down and everything was gone, just a scar on the
earth where it stood. So.......dry hole? It must have cost a fortune to
set that up. Can't they tell ahead of time if there is something to drill for?
Or is it still just hit or miss? Somebody in oil country.................... educate me on this.

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Old 09-23-2005, 10:40 AM   #63
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Looks like the Galveston & Houston evac is over.* Anyone who wanted to get out has.* The counter-flowed interstates are being restored to two-way traffic from Houston working on out northwest and west.* Overnight, refueling companies that usually service businesses and commercial vehicles volunteered, with the help of their suppliers, and with police escort to individually refuel out of gas cars on I-45.* They are still doing it, working southward. Along with the TX NGuard, and Houston and Harris county handled the vehicles in their area.

The charter bus oxygen fire happened on I-45 in Wilmer, in southeastern Dallas county, over 200 miles in from the coast.* Nursing home residents that had been evac'd from a nursing home in Bellaire, just west edge of Houston.* The Mayor of Bellaire said that in Hurricane Allison, 80% of Bellaire was under water.* So evac was prudent. Oxygen is one of the most hazardous substances. For Engineers and science people, we have all burned things like steel in the presence of pure oxygen, substances that won't burn in the atmosphere roar with O.* Alas, life is not guaranteed.

Governor Rick Perry was just on TV, said that [b]2.5 to 2.7 million people[\b] have been evacuated in 24-48 hours.* Medical airlift evacs continue from Beaumont and a few other places.

Separately, have heard that getting military fixed-wing aircraft capable of evacing stretcher patients with support personnel was a tough point.* National Guard had the patients ready and waiting to go at the airports, no aircraft, waiting. Has improved. Too bad our National Guard didn't have the needed planes ourselves. The all-Texas efforts have done very well.

As Port Arthur and Beaumont area started to come more into focus, there are evac's going on there.* They have turned the few state hiways in the area to counter-flow. These are not limited-access interstates, these are regular roads. So the manpower to do it so there's no head-ons, and the risk, is high. One of the destination sites in East Texas was Lufkin, now Lufkin will be in the path of heavy rains and flooding, so plans are changing. The state disaster coordinator for the Port Arthur area was showing a map with 20 foot storm surge areas colored in.* Really bad. Also, there is some expectation that after Rita comes ashore, she may stall and dump something like 25 inches of rain in 16 hour period. So after the storm surge, it then gets followed with large area flooding.

Texas is a economically-poor state compared to many. But there has always been a Texas the Republic mindset. It is a major difference between LA and TX. The more that can be handled on a local and state level, the better. Federal means red tape, bureaucracy, slow movement, indecision.
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Old 09-23-2005, 10:49 AM   #64
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Yes, Texas set a pretty good example, and I am proud. The evac is a pretty good model for the rest of the world to look at for future planning. (Not saying it was perfect, but a very good learning tool.)

However, it DOES help that the state has several large metropolitain areas including the largest inland concentration of population in the U.S. (D/FW Metroplex).

I'll pass on the inferred comparisons to NOLA and the comments about federal assistance. I've said my piece. Texas was likely better prepared to begin with, but having Katrina visit next door 3 weeks before Rita certainly has affected the situation.
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Meanwhile, the Big Easy is getting flooded again.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9438536/

I know that area is largely empty, but if one patched levy is already broken, what's going to happen when the storm really hits?
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It's better that it happens now than after they rebuild. Hopefully it will make people consider alternatives.
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Gas prices jumped here (Nothern Illinois) since yesterday, so I went back
into "Katrina" mode, filled a few cans and topped off the vehicles
(30 gal. tank on the truck* *ouch!)*

A question,* Last winter I went to Texas and found the biggest (on land)
oil rig I ever saw,* drilling right next to a Methodist church.* Now, there is
nothing unusual about that in Texas, but this thing was "huge", with
temp. housing and loads of equipment sitting around.
A month ago, I am back down and everything was gone, just a scar on the
earth where it stood.* So.......dry hole?* It must have cost a fortune to
set that up.* Can't they tell ahead of time if there is something to drill for?
Or is it still just hit or miss?* Somebody in oil country.................... educate me on this.

JG
What? Is this too tough? I'm serious (for once). Come on Texans;
what is the answer? Inquiring minds, etc.

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Old 09-23-2005, 07:51 PM   #68
 
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Oh, Father (clang, clang), please make that (clang clang) oil well next door dry up (clang clang) so that we can worship thee in peace.
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Old 09-23-2005, 11:22 PM   #69
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What?* Is this too tough?* I'm serious (for once).* Come on Texans;
what is the answer?* Inquiring minds, etc.

JG
Well John, one thing is obvious - Methodist wasn't the right religion!*

No, really, all the analysis in the world of where oil might be is good for selecting a test site, but the final proof is in the drillin'.* Some possibilities: Dry or too low productivity, and was plugged;* Low productivity and was capped;* Looked good and was capped for inventory; Looked good and was capped till extraction equipment set up later.

Along HWY 82 in far North Texas are quite a few stripper wells with the walking beam (rocker arm) pump setups. To be economical, need at least a small field of these that can be piped to common field storage tanks. And get commercial AC power run to them. A lot of these run on timers, as the slow well inflow can't keep up with a continuous pumping rate.
A lot of these type of well setups are tucked all over the place.
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Old 09-24-2005, 05:16 AM   #70
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Well John, one thing is obvious - Methodist wasn't the right religion!*

No, really, all the analysis in the world of where oil might be is good for selecting a test site, but the final proof is in the drillin'.* Some possibilities: Dry or too low productivity, and was plugged;* Low productivity and was capped;* Looked good and was capped for inventory; Looked good and was capped till extraction equipment set up later.

Along HWY 82 in far North Texas are quite a few stripper wells with the walking beam (rocker arm) pump setups. To be economical, need at least a small field of these that can be piped to common field storage tanks. And get commercial AC power run to them. A lot of these run on timers, as the slow well inflow can't keep up with a continuous pumping rate.
A lot of these type of well setups are tucked all over the place.
That's what we have in southern Illinois (rocker arm types). I've been all
over Texas and never saw a setup like this one. Whoever built it must have lost a fortune (can you spell tax deductions?).

Yeah, the Methodists might have put the hoo-doo on them. It looked pretty
odd, I will say that. BTW, I've been back and forth on 82 many many times
as it is the first east-west highway south of our condo.

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That's what we have in southern Illinois (rocker arm types).* I've been all
over Texas and never saw a setup like this one.* Whoever built it must have lost a fortune (can you spell tax deductions?).*

Yeah, the Methodists might have put the hoo-doo on them.* It looked pretty
odd, I will say that.* BTW, I've been back and forth on 82 many many times
as it is the first east-west highway south of our condo.

JG
John, what you described as being next to the church sounds like a typical drilling rig used these days. Drilling is usually 24/7 due to the expense of leasing the equipment.

I mentioned Hwy 82 since you have mentioned Lake Texoma before

A year or two ago there were drilling rigs on hilltops on each side of I-45 somewhere south of Fairfield. One on each side of the road, about a mile or so apart. Seemed funny to drill on a hilltop, but I guess if you are going to drill thousands of feet, what's 200 more? And it did give them a site that would never flood, with excellent drainage.
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Well, Rita is over. The original track would have given us a tropical storm with rain and high winds at my house. But with the actual track, a different story. The clouds rolled in Friday about 5 PM, winds yesterday about 30 MPH constant, with gusts to 45 or so. Today, back to bright sunshine and resumed the hotter than normal temperatures.

Now 2.7 million people or more are going to gas up and stock up, and head home. More shortages ahead!

Yesterday the state along with the contractor moved around barriers on I-45 to get more lanes open southbound through the miles of construction area.
I-45 has been under reconstruction for at least the last 4 or 5 years. Also adding a lane to make it 3 lanes each way, rather than the previous 2 lanes each way. When its finally done all the way to outside of Houston, it'll be all worn out and time to start over again! But it is a big project, all those miles, and keeping traffic open through it.
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John, what you described as being next to the church sounds like a typical drilling rig used these days.
It may be "typical" elsewhere, but not in our part of north Texas. I can't recall seeing a rig quite that enormous and I've been all over the state.
Maybe I wasn't paying attention, or maybe this one stood out because
of its location. I'll have to ask some of the locals when I go back down.
Must be a story connected with it and I am sure the Methodist church was happy
to see it go.

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