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Re: Krispy Kreme and the mystery of corp. shortfal
Old 08-29-2004, 07:43 AM   #21
 
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Hi Wab! Like I said "Elvis is dead and I don't feel so good myself!" Besides, I don't have a regular MD,
only specialists. I have to do something, so your idea sounds as good as any. Anyway, if I stop posting you
can assume the worst, although I expect there may be a few sighs of relief

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Re: Krispy Kreme and the mystery of corp. shortfal
Old 08-29-2004, 03:15 PM   #22
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John,

I think Wab's advise is right on. I lost about 30 lbls
on a low carb diet last year. Unfortunately, my LDL/HDL
ratio is out of wack and that requires a more aggressive
physical life than I care to muster at this time.

Genes are very important but diet and exercise are also.

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John, I don't think you are coming clean with us. Reading between the lines, you constantly tell us you led a pretty high lifestyle. I can assume with your high cholesterol you are probably overweight Your BMI should never have varied all your adult life. You remind us of your health problems. At 60 you should just be starting to enjoy what life is all about and look forward to at least 20 years of adventures. You still haven't told us? Are/were you a smoker?
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As requested, I am "coming clean", then I have to go
clean some fish. Not overweight at all. 5-9 and 155 lbs.
Weight always very stable. Never smoked cigarettes.
Smoked my last cigar about 1992. I even have watched
my diet in recent years. Anyway, my Dad told me the last time he was checked his cholesterol was over 300
and my Mom says hers was 265. These people eat whatever they want. Of course, if I was 85 I would eat whatever I wanted too

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Old 08-29-2004, 05:15 PM   #25
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Excellent answer John. In fact we are both the same height and weight!..now about that oatmeal, flax and cinnamon.
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"Should" is a lot different from reality!
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Re: Krispy Kreme and the mystery of corp. shortfal

Bon Temps Rollere! - let the good times roll.

New Orleans - other people eat to live. Down here we - we live to eat.

Holy trinity of LA cooking - onions, celery and bell pepper. And lots of garlic - for medicinal purposes - of course.

I ate the world's supply of Quaker Oats and Ralston Purina as a little snot growing up in The state of Washington (with cinnamon).

Do what you gotta do - but never let a chance to party pass you by.

P.S. - looks like some hard times ahead - Saints season tickets are being advertised for $150 this year.
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No offense Zipper, but BMI is a joke. It's thrown around as a one-size-fits-all indicator. Phooey.
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No offense Zipper, but BMI is a joke. *It's thrown around as a one-size-fits-all indicator. *Phooey.
You're right that it doesn't work for those who are quite muscular - body builders and professional and serious amateur athletes. However, for a large percentage (95%+) of the population it IS a good indicator. Often though the "BMI doesn't work for muscular people" excuse is thrown around by those who look like the Michelin man.

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Webmester's comments are very sage. High hdl and low triglycerides are much more important than total cholesterol for most people. Heart disease is mediated more by insulin resistance (pre type II diabetes) than by indulging in animal fat per se. Insulin resistance is caused by the constant lifelong overload of sugars and simple carbs (that become sugars in YOU). Trans fats (hydrogenation) are proven to be much more insidious than "real" fat. Become a fat burner, not a sugar burner, and watch your lipid profile improve (just as Webmester advises!). Rick
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Hey Rick. My last work-up showed pretty high HDL and pretty low triglicerides. Damn, I feel better already.
Anyway, check back in a month to see how Wab's
suggestion works out for me. My wife said "Where did
you get this diet, a doctor?" I told her "Nope, even
better and I didn't have to pay anyone for it."

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My last work-up showed pretty high HDL and pretty low triglicerides.
Dammit, John Galt, I have to admit I was playing the odds. * I figured you probably had "metabolic syndrome" like 50 million other Americans.

If you've got low TriG and high HDL, you're probably one of those lucky bastards who can eat whatever they want and will still live forever. (Please adjust your SWR accordingly )

In any case, it's a pretty painless experiment and it might still lower your LDL....
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Old 08-31-2004, 02:10 PM   #33
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Try this one on bow-tie. I heard this almost 40 years ago in a Phys. Ed. course at University. Every inch your waist is over 32", you are 5 lbs. overweight, regardless of height. Over all my life, I've been a fitness buff, even taught it forever! : Check the tape and do your own research. In other words, a guy with a 40" waist needs to lose 40 lbs.
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Try this one on bow-tie. I heard this almost 40 years ago in a Phys. Ed. course at University. Every inch your waist is over 32", you are 5 lbs. overweight, regardless of height. Over all my life, I've been a fitness buff, even taught it forever! : Check the tape and do your own research. In other words, a guy with a 40" waist needs to lose 40 lbs.
What do you do if your waist is less than 32"? Does it mean you are supposed to gain weight? I hope not or I will have a serious weight to gain.

I am in favour of balanced diet (ie: lots of veggie and fruit, some starch, some protein, little fat) and regular VIGOROUS exercise. To me it doesn't seem enough to have a leisure walk everyday, you gotta do it until your heartrate is up and you are sweating.

And eat regular meals and snacks!! I know women who try to lose weight by skipping meals and they never believe me when I told them that the only thing you achieve when you skip meals, is your body becoming more efficient in storing "fuel" (ie. fat).

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No for women it's 36 inches on the Hips
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You are a female Jane. The 32" only applies to males.
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Hey John and all you oatmeal and flaxseed buffs out there -

If you aren't used to flaxseed, start small. They are little and slippery, and unless ground up they won't do you any good. I buy the ground kind and keep it in the freezer, as it spoils easily. Other people grind it in a coffee grinder.

BUT, don't put large amounts on your oatmeal the first day. Built up slowly. Everybody's different, but flaxseed can bring digestive issues to most of us.

Anne, who has oat bran and flaxseed every morning
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Sprinkle on some cinnamon Anne.
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Yech.

Health-nuts, let me ask a question that's been bugging me for a while. Dietary guidelines have been out there for a while that tell us to eat less fat, more fiber, etc for something like 20+ years now, right? An entire generation. And most of us either take this stuff seriously or at least know somebody who does, right?

So, why has the incidence of obesity and heart disease actually increased during this period?

Personally, I don't think the low-fat/bad-fat research is wrong per se, I just think there's an underlying incorrect assumption that dietary fat/cholesterol is more insidious than metabolically generated fat/cholesterol.

It'll probably be another 20 years or so before we know the answer, but somehow I doubt that mainstream nutritional advice is on-target. And it tastes bad too
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Just to let you all know I am staying the course.
Met some friends at a pizza place for dinner.
I ordered an Italian sausage sandwich with a glass of
water, ate the insides out of the sandwich and gave
my friends the bread which they dipped in sauce and gobbled up. Heard some more horror stories about
cholesterol lowering drugs and so am more certain than ever I am right to avoid them.

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