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Old 06-22-2016, 11:49 PM   #21
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I see it as a hazard on the road and dislike following a left footed braker, (LFB) as some of them get tired and lightly touch the brake pedal instead of having their foot totally off the brake pedal.

So you see the car doing 70 down the freeway, and the brake light is flashing on, staying on, then off, then on, off , on , off .... etc etc.

Naturally it causes any driver following them to hit the brakes as well, until they learn then they pass the LFB and another person goes through the learning experience.

Plus if they ever truly needed to stop, nobody is going to believe it and could easily rear-end them.
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Old 06-22-2016, 11:53 PM   #22
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I drove a stick for most of the first 11 years I was driving (1981-1992) before I drove automatics after that except when I drove my dad's card on long trips (until he sold his last stick in early 2007). I always used my right foot for braking except for one time I can remember when I had to make a sudden stop and my right foot came off the gas but nicked the side of the brake pedal, delaying by a split second hitting the brake. My left foot then slammed on the brake initially before my right foot joined it.


Another habit from my stick shift days I still use with automatics is when I am at a traffic light on level ground I put the car in neutral to my right feet. If I feel the car start to roll I place my right foot on the brake but I don't need to press the pedal down as hard when the car is in neutral.
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Looks like I need to learn to drive again. Just discovered something about my new Honda - when you touch the brake pedal the fuel to the engine is cut off, even if you are accelerating. Must be a safety thing.
Did you test drive this Honda before you bought it? (I guess that's redundant). Have you called the dealer to ask him about the situation? Sounds like the car might be broken. And, what kind of Honda is it--because I don't want one.
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...The only time I've used both feet is when stopped on a steep incline. I'd gradually add gas while holding the brake to minimize the car from rolling backwards. ....
+1 learned to drive one footed (actually was chastised for wanting to drive two footed) and don't know anything else.
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Late to the discussion, but I'm another who never imagined left-foot braking for anyone but a race driver. Maybe Michael B. is a race driver. Who's to say otherwise? :-)

I took driving lessons on an automatic transmission, and I know my first inclination was to use both feet, but the instructor forbade it. Later on, when I got a manual-transmission sports car, I was glad to have that left foot available for the clutch.
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Personally don't get it or care...unless...you are setting off your brake lights all the time from the left foot (like someone else pointed out) That is both annoying and potentially dangerous.
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Looks like I need to learn to drive again. Just discovered something about my new Honda - when you touch the brake pedal the fuel to the engine is cut off, even if you are accelerating. Must be a safety thing. A PITA for me, I spent my adult life in a big city where driving is like trench warfare - each inch of progress is a major battle and two foot driving is a life preserving skill. Well, we'll soon see if this old dog can be taught a new trick.
Left foot braking is a huge safety issue. When in a panic stop, both feet push down.

In the new vehicle, maybe it is OK as pushing the gas pedal at the same time as the brake will not matter anymore. I would suspect that your brakes wore out faster as a result of left foot braking.

With the even newer cars, you do not even need a foot on the brake pedal in a stop. They stop themselves.
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I've probably used my left foot on the brake only a couple of times in my life. This I think was when struck in rush hour traffic and my right leg was starting to cramp up on the brake so long. But I've never heard the term two foot driving before.
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Other than driving in San Francisco (which I've done in a manual transmission, and yes, it's a job not an adventure), I still haven't seen a reason for left foot braking other than personal choice. I'm all in favor of that, and don't have a problem with left foot braking as long as it doesn't impact my safety, but what would be the reason to go with that over what is taught (one foot for both pedals)? How is it a life preserving skill? And I'm seriously curious, not giving anybody a hard time. I just want to know.
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There were a number of reports of cars running away i.e. the throttle stuck down, and folks did not think they could shift into neutral. So the car companies put this feature in to ensure that the brake overrides the engine in all cases, so the car can not run away if the throttle sticks.
Now have a look at cars with the adaptive cruise control and collision mitigation systems which apply the brakes if it looks like a rear end collision is coming up. It is interesting that many of the features needed for the driverless car are coming in some models, many of these help prevent the issues that could occur if one is driving and nods off.
That is my understanding as a safety feature.

Way back when I was a youngster , "Old Folks" taught me you could also use the brake and gas at the same time to help stop wheel spin when stuck on ice or mud ( takes a delicate touch, and doesn't always work)
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There were a number of reports of cars running away i.e. the throttle stuck down, and folks did not think they could shift into neutral. So the car companies put this feature in to ensure that the brake overrides the engine in all cases, so the car can not run away if the throttle sticks.
That's my guess as well.
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I see it as a hazard on the road and dislike following a left footed braker, (LFB) as some of them get tired and lightly touch the brake pedal instead of having their foot totally off the brake pedal.

So you see the car doing 70 down the freeway, and the brake light is flashing on, staying on, then off, then on, off , on , off .... etc etc.

Naturally it causes any driver following them to hit the brakes as well, until they learn then they pass the LFB and another person goes through the learning experience.

Plus if they ever truly needed to stop, nobody is going to believe it and could easily rear-end them.
I completely agree. It's very unsafe to be going down the road with your brake lights on if you don't intend to brake. It's almost always older people who probably shouldn't be on the road at all. Maybe MichaelB can use both pedals safely but I am in favor of car manufacturers making it impossible, or very inconvenient, to use both feet.
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I think the auto cutoff thing is a new "feature" for fuel savings. I first saw this in a rental car I had in Europe. On the two footed breaking, for me I do it primarily when getting started while on inclines. I always wonder about the folks who might have their left foot resting on the brake at all times - you know, the ones who ride the brake just enough such that their brake lights are always on so you can't tell if they're about to slow down or stop if you're behind them.
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I've never imagined left foot braking, and can't see what the value would be. Even when I finally freed up the left foot from driving clutch I never thought of it. I drove for decades in DC traffic, so it's not like I was in a one stop light town. Why do you do that? What does it buy you?
Hmmm. I've never driven in DC, but I have driven around it, so hard to compare. My driving was mostly in Caracas, but I've also piloted an auto in Rio and Mexico City, and it isn't much different there.

I didn't intend this to be a discussion regarding the merits of using the left foot to brake, and those who don't do this will undoubtedly see no merit in it. I'm also not advocating - in fact, I'm trying to learn to stop doing it.

What is to be gained? Well, just a few feet, perhaps. This is a technique or style that is most effective in stop and go traffic where drivers are not courteous and one must assert oneself in order to advance. All it does is reduce the time to go from acceleration to braking. Granted, no a particularly useful or needed technique here in the States, where drivers are more respectful, cautious and law-abiding.
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I've not heard of the engine fuel being cutoff when the brake pedal is activated, but maybe you will get longer brake life
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Left foot braking is a huge safety issue. When in a panic stop, both feet push down.
No. Not my experience at all.

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In the new vehicle, maybe it is OK as pushing the gas pedal at the same time as the brake will not matter anymore. I would suspect that your brakes wore out faster as a result of left foot braking.
No. Not my experience at all. Last car had one brake job, to replace pads, in 150K miles.

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With the even newer cars, you do not even need a foot on the brake pedal in a stop. They stop themselves.
Under certain circumstances they apply the brakes automatically. This feature is still a biut "buggy" and a way off from automatic stopping.
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I've not heard of the engine fuel being cutoff when the brake pedal is activated, but maybe you will get longer brake life
It's actually been a problem for me. Pulling out into (or across) fast moving traffic, the car suddenly stops accelerating and slows very quickly. Pushing the accelerator down strongly will overcome this, but only after significant engine hesitation. Not fun in urban traffic.

At first I thought it was a defect in my car, especially after seeing other similar complaints. I noticed, however, that it happened most frequently when accelerating from standstill, and it didn't always happen. A little experimenting and I identified the brake pedal as the "driving force". A little more experimenting confirmed it.

One of these days I'll post over at one of the Honda forums, see what they say. First, though, I'll direct my declining cognitive abilities toward retraining my right foot.
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First, though, I'll direct my declining cognitive abilities toward retraining my right foot.
As a training aid you might try duct-taping your left ankle to the front of your seat...
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My only experience on left footed braking was driving my parents' 1980 Thunderbird (ugghh) when home from college. I was used to my manual transmission. Pushed the "clutch" down hard to make a left turn from a 45mph road into a parking lot. Rather embarrassing.
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Learned to drive on a stick & have had several, so LFB isn't even thought of.

As long as we're talking unexpected braking, people who brake & slow approaching a green light intersection in anticipation the light will turn red on them are a driving hazard.

My '15 MB C300 when stopped, allows me to take foot off brake totally & stays stopped by itself if I press the brake pedal extra hard once. Net, I can relax vs. keeping foot on brake. Also, engine stops on own as a gas saver unless it needs to run the AC for example. Self-holding brake goes off & engine restarts as soon as I touch gas pedal. But engine doesn't stop if the car is moving at all even with brake applied - right foot.
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