Join Early Retirement Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Lockheed says makes breakthrough on fusion energy project
Old 10-15-2014, 03:49 PM   #1
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
REWahoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Texas Hill Country
Posts: 42,134
Lockheed says makes breakthrough on fusion energy project

This news got lost in the noise of the market slide and ebola panic...

Quote:
(Reuters) - Lockheed Martin Corp said on Wednesday it had made a technological breakthrough in developing a power source based on nuclear fusion, and the first reactors, small enough to fit on the back of a truck, could be ready for use in a decade.
Quote:
In a statement, the company, the Pentagon's largest supplier, said it would build and test a compact fusion reactor in less than a year, and build a prototype in five years.
Could be big news if it comes to fruition.

Lockheed says makes breakthrough on fusion energy project | Reuters
__________________

__________________
Numbers is hard

When I hit 70, it hit back

Retired in 2005 at age 58, no pension
REWahoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 Early Retirement and Financial Independence Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

Are you planning to be financially independent as early as possible so you can live life on your own terms? Discuss successful investing strategies, asset allocation models, tax strategies and other related topics in our online forum community. Our members range from young folks just starting their journey to financial independence, military retirees and even multimillionaires. No matter where you fit in you'll find that Early-Retirement.org is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with our members, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create a retirement blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 10-15-2014, 04:02 PM   #2
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
mpeirce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Columbus area
Posts: 1,595
Quote:
Originally Posted by REWahoo View Post
Could be big news if it comes to fruition.
I've been waiting for a working fusion reactor since I was a kid...

Still, LM doing the work is better than some university lab consortium. Yes, I'm biased toward actual engineers trying to building the thing.

This article has a few more details:

High Hopes – Can Compact Fusion Unlock New Power For Space And Air Transport? | Things With Wings

and this

Lockheed Martin Compact Nuclear Fusion Reactor Concept will have 20 times more plasma is ten times smaller and targets a 100 MW prototype in 2019

has some good discussion about it if your interested.
__________________

__________________
mpeirce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 04:03 PM   #3
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 11,615
Wow. If such a promising ("incredible"--in the most derogatory sense?) announcement was from small startup company I wouldn't give it much credence, but coming from Lockheed, this could really mean something.

I notice that they are suggesting applications in warships etc, where high $$ per MW are not a big concern, if there are offsetting operational advantages. So--the development and initial units will probably be pretty expensive. But, as the technology matures (and the patents expire)--this could be tremendously important. Still, based on numerous unfulfilled promises, fusion has the reputation of being "the energy source of the future--and it always will be". Hopefully, this really is a breakthrough.
__________________
"Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite." - R. Heinlein
samclem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 04:05 PM   #4
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
martyb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Bossier City
Posts: 2,182
Interesting. I spent 5 of my last 5 1/2 yrs working as a QA guy for the government in a Lockheed Martin facility involved in missile defense stuff.
__________________
“Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future.”
-John F. Kennedy

“Hard work never killed anybody, but why take a chance?” - Edgar Bergen
martyb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 04:11 PM   #5
Moderator
Walt34's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Eastern WV Panhandle
Posts: 16,571
Yes indeed! Clearly a DeLorean will be too small for the time machine.
__________________
I heard the call to do nothing. So I answered it.
Walt34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 04:14 PM   #6
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
DFW_M5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 4,982
I would never think to associate LM with this type of research/development.

Instead of a small one, I'd like to see a large scale fusion reactor to solve our energy problem forever. That would be a major game changer and definitely the next big thing.
__________________
Doing things today that others won't, to do things tomorrow that others can't. Of course I'm referring to workouts, not robbing banks.
DFW_M5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 04:22 PM   #7
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Telly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,448
This smells a bit skunky to me... and it's emanating from the internet.
__________________
-- Telly, the D-I-Y guy --
Two fools dancing on the hands of time
Telly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 04:27 PM   #8
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 2,370
I wonder if any of this news has been involved in the decline of petroleum energy stocks during the past few months.
__________________
GrayHare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 04:34 PM   #9
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 11,615
Quote:
Originally Posted by DFW_M5 View Post
Instead of a small one, I'd like to see a large scale fusion reactor to solve our energy problem forever. That would be a major game changer and definitely the next big thing.
The one they envision isn't truly "small"--it is enough to power about 80,000 US homes. The good thing about this sze is that they hope to integrate it into the existing US gas turbine electrical production infrastructure. They'll leave the turbines in place, and these reactors become the source for the hot gas (instead of burning NG or coal).

Interestingly, at about the same time Lockheed made this announcement, another small fusion design was announced by researchers at Univ of Washington. Here's an article on their design. The lead researcher in that project had this to say (on an internet comment board) about the Lockheed approach (from this Aviation Week site):
Quote:
This design has two doughnuts and a shell so it will be more than four times as bad as a tokamak. (Our concept has no coils surrounded by plasma and solves the problem.) I would have to study their scientific publications on the confinement claim to see if their data justifies the claim. I have not seen the papers, but the nuclear engineering clearly fails to be cost effective.
Our claim of the possibility of fusion cheaper than coal is backed by scientific papers in top journals.

Competition is good--we just need one design that is practical.
__________________
"Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite." - R. Heinlein
samclem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 05:03 PM   #10
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
REWahoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Texas Hill Country
Posts: 42,134
Quote:
Originally Posted by samclem View Post
Competition is good--we just need one design that is practical.
Yes, but that Betamax vs VHS shakeout period can be an expensive process.
__________________
Numbers is hard

When I hit 70, it hit back

Retired in 2005 at age 58, no pension
REWahoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 05:04 PM   #11
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 7,531
I'd hate to be the guy running the lab in charge of developing this technology where I used to work. Incredible claims to clients were the name of the game, then the boss man would come to me and say "we're smart people, we'll figure it out". By that he meant I was a smart person and I BETTER figure it out.
__________________
Retired in 2013 at age 33. Keeping busy reading, blogging, relaxing, gaming, and enjoying the outdoors with my wife and 3 kids (5, 11, and 12).
FUEGO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 05:05 PM   #12
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 7,531
Quote:
Originally Posted by REWahoo View Post
Yes, but that Betamax vs VHS shakeout period can be an expensive process.
It's not like we're trying to split the atom here. How bad can it be?
__________________
Retired in 2013 at age 33. Keeping busy reading, blogging, relaxing, gaming, and enjoying the outdoors with my wife and 3 kids (5, 11, and 12).
FUEGO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 05:10 PM   #13
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
NW-Bound's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 19,438
Quote:
Originally Posted by FUEGO View Post
It's not like we're trying to split the atom here. How bad can it be?
We have been splitting atoms for more than 60 years, but have not been able to join them.
__________________
"Old age is the most unexpected of all things that can happen to a man" -- Leon Trotsky
NW-Bound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 05:21 PM   #14
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
clifp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 7,451
Quote:
Originally Posted by NW-Bound View Post
We have been splitting atoms for more than 60 years, but have not been able to join them.
Oh we've been able to join them for 60 years also, just that side effects
are a wee bit dangerous.
__________________
clifp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 05:24 PM   #15
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
NW-Bound's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 19,438
Very true! The H-bomb is not a controlled fusion process.
__________________
"Old age is the most unexpected of all things that can happen to a man" -- Leon Trotsky
NW-Bound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 05:40 PM   #16
Moderator Emeritus
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,929
There has been a well known constant in physics for a long time. Nuclear fusion will be practical 20 years from the present.

It will be interesting to see where we actually are in 10 years.
__________________
M Paquette is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 05:49 PM   #17
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
haha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hooverville
Posts: 22,386
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrayHare View Post
I wonder if any of this news has been involved in the decline of petroleum energy stocks during the past few months.
No. The time scales are way too different. Also, cars run on liquid fuel, at least most of them. Not too many over the road electric trucks either, or locomotives running on batteries. Maybe way in the future these possible reactors might power a locomotive.

Ha
__________________
"As a general rule, the more dangerous or inappropriate a conversation, the more interesting it is."-Scott Adams
haha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 06:09 PM   #18
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 11,615
Quote:
Originally Posted by haha View Post
Maybe way in the future these possible reactors might power a locomotive.
Yes, I doubt these reactors would ever be put aboard land vehicles to power them, but they still might be used to replace liquid motor fuels . . . eventually. If electricity ever did become "too cheap to meter" (in the parlance of the old Atoms for Peace days), we might see more electric vehicles--with and without batteries. In-pavement induction transmission to vehicles, etc. Also, if electricity gets very cheap it can be used to produce liquid fuels that can be used in fuel cells, etc for transportation purposes.

Extremely cheap electricity would change LOTS of things.
__________________
"Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite." - R. Heinlein
samclem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 06:27 PM   #19
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Lakewood90712's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,316
Going out a hundred years or more, it's the only thing imaginable as a large power source, to replace fossil fuel and nuke fission plants. Using fission reactors, we could run out of uranium, after the fossil fuels are mostly gone. Solar/ wind will not be enough, no idea if wave power can be harassed.
__________________
Lakewood90712 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2014, 06:38 PM   #20
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
haha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hooverville
Posts: 22,386
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lakewood90712 View Post
Solar/ wind will not be enough, no idea if wave power can be harassed.
Not sure, but as Hurricane Sandy showed, it can certainly harass us.
__________________

__________________
"As a general rule, the more dangerous or inappropriate a conversation, the more interesting it is."-Scott Adams
haha is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Lockheed Martin Retiree Medical Cost digger1959 Health and Early Retirement 61 05-05-2015 01:13 PM
Lockheed Martin tinlizzy Stock Picking and Market Strategy 7 10-12-2010 12:08 PM
Solar energy breakthrough harley Other topics 46 08-05-2008 08:10 AM
New Vehicles ? Escape Hybird & Fusion, Input Wanted frayne Other topics 12 05-07-2007 10:53 AM

 

 
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:27 AM.
 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.