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Old 12-25-2006, 11:58 PM   #1
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Hi Everybody, sorry to be away so long. It's been a rough stretch here, some real adversity that makes you question a few things. But Christmas couldn't have come at a better time. For those who want to know, Tori is doing very happy and really enjoyed opening her presents, and DW's second pregnancy is going well - we'll be doing some tests in a couple of weeks to see if there is anything to worry about. For now, we are getting ready to head to our family's cabin in Big Bear and let Tori experience sledding for the first time! I'm taking two much needed weeks off work right now to try and get back to the land of the living. I hope everyone is doing well, and I'll check in more often now.
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Old 12-26-2006, 06:44 AM   #2
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Hey man! It's great to hear from you and to know you and your family are OK. Sounds like you've been battling the work monster and have a few wounds that need to be seen to.

Have a great vacation and stay in touch.

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Nice to hear from you again. Sorry to hear about rough patches!
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Enjoy your vacation and sorry things were/are a little rough for you and thanks for the Tori update, I'll bet she's going to love the snow. Post a pic if you have time.
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Hi Laurence,

Great to hear from you and congratulations on your wife's pregnancy! I must have missed that news. I am sorry to hear of your rough stretch and hope that things improve for the new year!

Have a great 2 weeks and I would love to see pictures of Tori sled riding also!
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Great to ahve you back. Sorry about the adversity, but I believe it makes one stronger...............

Take care and enjoy the time with family...........good luck on the upcoming addition also...............
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Good to hear from you Laurence - I have been wondering how you are doing. I hope the time off is relaxing for you and the family. Take care of yourself, and check in once in a while!
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Sorry about the adversity, but I believe it makes one stronger
welcome back as well laurence.

sorry financedude but i don't buy into that adversity making us stronger stuff, though i suppose it's doesn't hurt to think we are benefiting from suffering unless, of course, you become attached to suffering so that you receive some perceived benefit. i'm pretty sure we could get stronger without all the adversity. think of an enjoyable & relaxing day at the gym.

my lazy motto is "life should be easier." and when it comes my time to face our maker, i certainly intend to speak my heart & mind about consideration of a major redesign, of life without pain, of a world without tears. i think everyday should be our first time gleefully sledding through drifts. i am totally jealous of tori on her upcoming adventure into snow.
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sorry financedude but i don't buy into that adversity making us stronger stuff, though i suppose it's doesn't hurt to think we are benefiting from suffering unless, of course, you become attached to suffering so that you receive some perceived benefit.
I've lived it so for me it's true. Go through some serious suffering in your life and all the sudden the mundane things in life seem like miracles and your appreciation for the good things in life grows. At the same time you find that the normal BS of life just doesn't bother you like it used to.

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"if you have no troubles -- buy a goat." ~~ proverb
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Hey, Laurence, good to hear from you. I spent the holidays in SD, visiting the DGFs parents. Good folks, but I don't even like my family enough to spend a whole week with them... :

Speaking of MIA, anyone heard from SteveR lately?
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I've lived it so for me it's true. Go through some serious suffering in your life and all the sudden the mundane things in life seem like miracles and your appreciation for the good things in life grows. At the same time you find that the normal BS of life just doesn't bother you like it used to.
I'm not sure that adversity makes us stronger, per se, but at least in my case it made me stop whining and stressing about the small stuff and made me grateful for things I used to take for granted. Like, for example, walking.
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welcome back as well laurence.

sorry financedude but i don't buy into that adversity making us stronger stuff, though i suppose it's doesn't hurt to think we are benefiting from suffering unless, of course, you become attached to suffering so that you receive some perceived benefit. i'm pretty sure we could get stronger without all the adversity. think of an enjoyable & relaxing day at the gym.

my lazy motto is "life should be easier." and when it comes my time to face our maker, i certainly intend to speak my heart & mind about consideration of a major redesign, of life without pain, of a world without tears. i think everyday should be our first time gleefully sledding through drifts. i am totally jealous of tori on her upcoming adventure into snow.
Well, after losing BOTH my FIL AND my sister, I am using that analogy to keep a positive tone............
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Well, after losing BOTH my FIL AND my sister, I am using that analogy to keep a positive tone............
my sincere condolence, financedude. i also am no stranger to loss. but even while having inherited covetous early retirement, the only benefit i see gained from losing my mom was the end of her undeserved suffering.

but i always say ďbeing miserable wonít make you any happier.Ē shantideva put it more eloquently: "if suffering can be corrected, then there's no need to be despondent. and if it cannot be remedied, there is no benefit even if one becomes unhappy."

so i applaud your positive outlook especially in your grief. it was not my intent to deny, rather, perhaps, to temper desire to attribute benefit to suffering. while we might utilize such benefit as an antidote from poisonous suffering, after the symptom of sadness, regret, what-have-you subsides, we might be better off withdrawing the antidote before dependency develops and the cure becomes just another poison.

simply put, suffering sucks. so why would we compound that by thinking we should feel so guilty about being happy in the wake or even, if we so muster, in the face of adversity that we pay tribute to that suffering for those perceived gains.

iím not saying some donít need to be smacked along the side of their head to wake up at some point of their lives. thing is, even after youíve awoken, life still hits ya alongside the head. (what are those, pretty post-it notes?) so thatís not where the lesson is, even if that is the route some take to learn it. perhaps there is a more graceful way to access this body of information.

for as long as we incarnate into these emotional bodies, no matter how enlightened the being, if you love you will hurt in empathy and mourn in loss. weíre supposed to be satisfied with that?
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Got a little deep here during my absense! Hey, here are some pics of Tori on Christmas day and up in the snow at the family cabin! She absolutely loved sledding, and wouldn't let us stop. She also is a bit of an adrenaline junkie, at age two she enjoys going faster than I do at 32! She loved opening presents, but liked mine best (cell phone) 16 wonderful days off, first day back at work, ugh.

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Great pictures Laurence, Tori looks like she's having a blast!!! As well as dad
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The only problem was, she was livid if we stopped sledding, just heartbroken! We had to plan sledding for late morning so her hunger would kick in before Dad's exhaustion!
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The only problem was, she was livid if we stopped sledding, just heartbroken! We had to plan sledding for late morning so her hunger would kick in before Dad's exhaustion!
The ol' distraction tactic didn't work, t hen? That's usually our gambit. Failing that, an offer of a gummy bear usually does the trick.
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Indeed. M&M's solve all problems.

However, they create a new one.

The need for more M&M's.
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