Loser vs Looser

[youbet]

Sorry for the interruption.

Thanks for the apology. It's certainly appropriate and appreciated.

I accept and I forgive you. This time.

 

[rescueme]

5 % Cherokee here...

OK, therefore you are only incorrect in up to 95% of your posts, as related to language usage ...

 

[Nemo2]

The importance of grammar & punctuation:
Rogers Communications Inc

Language buffs take note — Page 7 of the contract states: The agreement “shall continue in force for a period of five years from the date it is made, and thereafter for successive five year terms, unless and until terminated by one year prior notice in writing by either party.”
Rogers' intent in 2002 was to lock into a long-term deal of at least five years. But when regulators with the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) parsed the wording, they reached another conclusion.
The validity of the contract and the millions of dollars at stake all came down to one point — the second comma in the sentence.
Had it not been there, the right to cancel wouldn't have applied to the first five years of the contract and Rogers would be protected from the higher rates it now faces.

 

[kaudrey]

What chaps me (I've actually learned to chuckle) is when folks on TV/radio say stuff incorrectly.

The most obvious one is further and farther. You'd think folks that get paid to speak would know how to speak properly.

I'll cut em a little slack on the who and whom stuff.

This one drives me nuts too!

 

[eytonxav]

Since we seem to be getting very picky here, isn't this thread in the wrong sub-forum; shouldn't it be in Other? Where are the mods

 

[REWahoo]

Since we seem to be getting very picky here, isn't this thread in the wrong sub-forum; shouldn't it be in Other? Where are the mods

I think they must be loost.

 

[Alan]

Since we seem to be getting very picky here, isn't this thread in the wrong sub-forum; shouldn't it be in Other? Where are the mods

Okay, I moved to the uvver forum.

 

[eytonxav]

Okay, I moved to the uvver forum.

We can always count on Alan

 

[W2R]

Mom is that u?

My mother was an editor. You only THINK your mother was strict about spelling and grammar!

I even used punctuation correctly way back then.

 

[Dawg52]

5 % Cherokee here...

75% [-]alcohol[/-] med's here...

 

[GregLee]

The importance of grammar & punctuation:
Rogers Communications Inc

Language buffs take note — Page 7 of the contract states: The agreement “shall continue in force for a period of five years from the date it is made, and thereafter for successive five year terms, unless and until terminated by one year prior notice in writing by either party.” ...

It's an interesting example, but I don't understand it. Omitting that second comma does not, in my opinion, make possible the "Rogers" interpretation, according to which there is no cancellation during the initial 5 year period. But if I add a comma after "thereafter", I can find the "Rogers" interpretation this way: "... and thereafter, it shall continue in force for successive five year terms, unless and until terminated by one year prior notice in writing by either party."

Note that in the news article, the opinion of the regulator is quoted that the ruling has to do with "the rules of punctuation", but there is no actual reference to the second comma in the ruling. I suggest that the omission of a comma after "thereafter" is more relevant.

 

[REWahoo]

Greg, which law school did you attend?

 

[GregLee]

Greg, which law school did you attend?

The closest I ever came to arguing a legal issue was when a lawyer defending a pornography case wanted me to testify about the interpretation of an obscurely worded statute. It was an interesting issue, but the only interpretation I could find argued against his client's interest, so I didn't get to testify. (Having reached this conclusion, should I have contacted the public prosecutor?)

 

[TN_INVEST]

Enjoy!

 

[Nemo2]

It's an interesting example, but I don't understand it. Omitting that second comma does not, in my opinion, make possible the "Rogers" interpretation, according to which there is no cancellation during the initial 5 year period. But if I add a comma after "thereafter", I can find the "Rogers" interpretation this way: "... and thereafter, it shall continue in force for successive five year terms, unless and until terminated by one year prior notice in writing by either party."

Note that in the news article, the opinion of the regulator is quoted that the ruling has to do with "the rules of punctuation", but there is no actual reference to the second comma in the ruling. I suggest that the omission of a comma after "thereafter" is more relevant.

If you remove the portion between the commas, i.e. the parenthetical element, it reads thus:

“shall continue in force for a period of five years from the date it is made unless and until terminated by one year prior notice in writing by either party.”

 

[haha]

I think this would definitely be the place to recruit subjects for an OCD study.

Ha

 

[GregLee]

If you remove the portion between the commas, i.e. the parenthetical element, it reads thus:

“shall continue in force for a period of five years from the date it is made unless and until terminated by one year prior notice in writing by either party.”

Yes, and that gives the "Aliant" interpretation, according to which the contract can be terminated within the first 5 year period. But how do you get the "Rogers" interpretation, according to which the contract can only be terminated after the first 5 year period?

 

[Nuiloa]

Sumtimes I get so nucular, I have to go to the liberry to calm down and get new idears.

 

[MichaelB]

I think this would definitely be the place to recruit subjects for an OCD study.

Ha

OCD - good point. A few other traits come to mind as well when reading this thread.

 

[Nemo2]

Yes, and that gives the "Aliant" interpretation, according to which the contract can be terminated within the first 5 year period. But how do you get the "Rogers" interpretation, according to which the contract can only be terminated after the first 5 year period?

Possibly by removing the first comma? I guess Rogers 'assumed' that "everyone will know what we mean".

 

[Major Tom]

The one that jumps out at me often (pronounced with the t audible ) is the use of insure instead of ensure. It is quite surprising how even well-regarded websites and publications get this one wrong.

I've also noticed how many people who make much more money than me have terrible spelling and grammar, so obviously this isn't an indicator of prospective financial success.

 

[MichaelB]

The one that jumps out at me often (pronounced with the t audible )

is the use of insure instead of ensure. It is quite surprising how even well-regarded websites and publications get this one wrong.

I assure you if you insure yourself you will ensure the sureness of your loved ones.

 

[Nemo2]

I assure you if you insure yourself you will ensure the sureness of your loved ones.

I'm reassured.

 

[redduck]

I've also noticed how many people who make much more money than me have terrible spelling and grammar, so obviously this isn't an indicator of prospective financial success.

Uh, Major Tom...

I think it should be: ...people who make much more money than I have terrible...

(But this is in the spirit of this thread only).

 

[MichaelB]

I'm reassured.

Most assuredly.