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Old 01-29-2013, 01:27 PM   #161
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And the juvenile nonsense continues. Well I suppose it makes sense... they say that retirement is just a second childhood.
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Old 01-29-2013, 02:09 PM   #162
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This process has been going on longer than 5 years.

I'm not sure how well white-collar jobs have fared since the GR. But I recall reading somewhere that the unemployment rate for people with college degrees was like 5% while the overall unemployment rate was double that.
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Here's a direct link to that data:

Table A-4. Employment status of the civilian population 25 years and over by educational attainment

So it's 3.9% for folks with college degrees versus 7.8% overall.
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Here's a direct link to that data:

Table A-4. Employment status of the civilian population 25 years and over by educational attainment

So it's 3.9% for folks with college degrees versus 7.8% overall.

Thanks for the table... so far an interesting read...


But, as my boss would point out, it does not tell the whole story... as he would say, there is a lot of underemployment out there.... people with college degrees working at Starbucks or someplace else where they are not using their education... I keep hearing him say the real rate is closer to 12 or 15%... can't remember his number right now....
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Ok I'll bite.

All things considered, it is probably better to be under or unemployed in America than to be employed in many other countries. I have no evidence to back this up beyond gut feeling and a documentary or two.

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All things considered, it is probably better to be under or unemployed in America than to be employed in many other countries. I have no evidence to back this up beyond gut feeling and a documentary or two.

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Re: Someone say something; if everyone is on ignore, do they still make a noise?

Yup, though a lot of people wonder if it's a good thing for someone on public assistance, or in prison, for that matter, to have better living quarters, cars, smartphones, etc. than someone busting a hump working one or more jobs...
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And this raises another issue. Five hundred years ago, everyone knew how to stoke the coal stove (or whatever it is they did to keep their homes warm), a skill that practically no one has today. Now some people twist this fact into a veneration of having such antiquated skills, and I suppose if you're hoping and praying for a complete break-down of society and relish some dystopian vision of the future that makes sense. .

Actually 500 years ago it was a wood burning fireplace. Stoves were rare luxuries of the nobility at best. Recall that Franklin invented the Franklin Stove as one of the first stoves and that is 250 years ago or so. I was reading a history of steam and coal became a power source in the US once wood got scarce for railroads and riverboats (around the time of the civil war). Stoves really took the decrease in the cost of Iron in the early to mid 19th century. The first coal use was at Coalbrookdale in Shropshire England. The problem England had was that all the trees were gone having been used to make charcoal for iron making. So they tried coal and after a bit of experimentation figured out essentially the process used in the modern blast furnace. That is about 1700 or so. Then London got coal since you could ship it by water from Newcastle. But until the railroads coal was not a widely used commodity where it did not occur locally.
But to give an example my grandmother still used a wood burning stove part time (partly for heat) in the 1960s (the house had electricity but no running water)
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Actually 500 years ago it was a wood burning fireplace. Stoves were rare luxuries of the nobility at best. Recall that Franklin invented the Franklin Stove as one of the first stoves and that is 250 years ago or so. I was reading a history of steam and coal became a power source in the US once wood got scarce for railroads and riverboats (around the time of the civil war). Stoves really took the decrease in the cost of Iron in the early to mid 19th century. The first coal use was at Coalbrookdale in Shropshire England. The problem England had was that all the trees were gone having been used to make charcoal for iron making. So they tried coal and after a bit of experimentation figured out essentially the process used in the modern blast furnace. That is about 1700 or so. Then London got coal since you could ship it by water from Newcastle. But until the railroads coal was not a widely used commodity where it did not occur locally.
But to give an example my grandmother still used a wood burning stove part time (partly for heat) in the 1960s (the house had electricity but no running water)
Personally, I take pride in building up my Luddite/throwback skills. I am heating the house with wood (that I cut and split) as I type this, I bake my own bread, make my own yogurt, brew my own beer, catch my own fish, hunt a good bit of my meat in season, etc. In the future I would like to learn to do more including become a better gardener/farmer and learn to cast my own bullets out of lead.
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It's not even as good as that. I think we've been found by a 'bot that generates random contradictions and plausible-sounding but entirely nonsensical platitudes.
We got a chatbot on here once before, but we smoked it out and sent it packing.
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