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Old 09-15-2013, 06:49 PM   #41
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For the outties , when you back up do you readjust your side mirrors so you can see the end of your car?
I'm an outie, but do move them in when backing our trailer. It just seems to make it easier. I'm counting on my blind spot not being an issue at 1mph.
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:06 PM   #42
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With some issues there are many adequate ways to do something, and individual preferences matter. However, with many other issues, there is a right way and a wrong way, and setting driving mirrors is one of those. They should always be set to minimize or remove any blind spots. Lives depend on this.

BTH, someone mentioned how awful visibility from modern sedans and coupes is. I second this. OTOH, BMWs have always had good visibility, and still do. Cars should have function first, styling within the bounds of serving that function next. Seeing around you is certainly a major function of a driving machine, and many American cars flunk miserably on this.

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With some issues there are many adequate ways to do something, and individual preferences matter. However, with many other issues, there is a right way and a wrong way, and setting driving mirrors is one of those. They should always be set to minimize or remove any blind spots. Lives depend on this.

BTH, someone mentioned how awful visibility from modern sedans and coupes is. I second this. OTOH, BMWs have always had good visibility, and still do. Cars should have function first, styling within the bounds of serving that function next. Seeing around you is certainly a major function of a driving machine, and many American cars flunk miserably on this.

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Not disagreeing with your broad assessment of certain manufacturing origins, but it is getting complicated.

Rollover protection and curtain airbags have added a lot of heft to pillars. The B and C pillars have always been a problem since they are in your "shoulder check" area. But the A pillars are getting crazy too, and these are right in your line of site.

And then there is the pedestrian impact requirements which have really beefed up the front ends. This is actually creating a blind spot of sorts directly in front of you (down low to be sure, but still there -- you can run over a child).

Trade offs in safety. Perhaps BMW is using higher quality, higher expense materials to accomplish the strength needed on the rollover/roof crush test.

Personally, I'm just cranky as to how small some of the mirrors are. I'll take 1/8 MPG off my gas estimates over small mirrors.
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I now think a little blind spot mirror (such as the ones from Ford) should be a requirement on all passenger cars.

Remember the days when passenger side mirrors were considered a luxury?
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With some issues there are many adequate ways to do something, and individual preferences matter. However, with many other issues, there is a right way and a wrong way, and setting driving mirrors is one of those. They should always be set to minimize or remove any blind spots. Lives depend on this.

BTH, someone mentioned how awful visibility from modern sedans and coupes is. I second this. OTOH, BMWs have always had good visibility, and still do. Cars should have function first, styling within the bounds of serving that function next. Seeing around you is certainly a major function of a driving machine, and many American cars flunk miserably on this.

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I think you are right there is a right and wrong way and I never learned the right way, until I watched the video. My small Accura didn't have much of a blind spot, but the much bigger Tesla does. I got couple of well deserved honks as I was making lane changes cause my mirrors weren't set properly. Eventhough I generally also turn my head before making a lane change.

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I now think a little blind spot mirror (such as the ones from Ford) should be a requirement on all passenger cars.

Remember the days when passenger side mirrors were considered a luxury?
I just drove a small passenger "bus", not commercial, but rather a big Ford pickup with a 12 person passenger compartment on the back.

You have to use the side view mirrors since visibility out the back is poor.

What do you know? Both large side view mirrors also had the blind-spot convex mirror on them. Very nice. It is changing my mind about them. I think they can be very useful.
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