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Old 11-16-2011, 09:37 AM   #21
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Concerning who built it, is there a good side and a bad side to the fence? If so, whom does the good side face?
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Old 11-16-2011, 09:39 AM   #22
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I agree with a number of the posts.... but will throw in my 2 cents...


Do you WANT the fence... if so, then doing nothing might mean that it is taken down... you will have to do things to 'protect' the fence...

If you do not want the fence, do as others have said... make them prove it is yours...

I do have a question though... I have had two friends who owned a townhouse.... and both only owned the 'inside' of their unit... it was the HOA who was responsible for the outside and the grounds... the only exception on one was their 'back yard' that was fenced in in front of their parking spaces... So I would make sure that you even could put a fence up...


As to HOA... I knew someone who was on one... he said it was the worst place to be... that people always wanted to do things that they were not allowed and would fight to get them done... as an example, he had a place like the one mentioned above with a 'back yard'... it said you could not build anything that could be seen over the fence... this one guy was refused to build something (don't remember what it was), but built it anyway... they had to decide if they wanted to allow it to stay and then get others to do the same or take legal action to have him correct the problem...


I still remember getting a letter from the management company that said I had to 'clean my driveway'.... I called and asked about it... they said it was 'dirty'... I said 'it is cleaner most on my street'... I asked how many others got that letter and it was 'nobody'... I also got a letter about my fence... it was in bad shape and I replaced some slats... I did not put one next to the house and there was a gap of about 3 inches.... they said I needed to 'fix the fence'.... glad I moved from that neighborhood....
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Old 11-16-2011, 09:52 AM   #23
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Note to self: Never live anywhere with a HOA.
Like some others, you and I are just not suited to living anywhere with an HOA. I couldn't wouldn't put up with such nonsense.
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In fact, the presence of the HOA was alway used as a selling point in real estate listings.
If you say so. I'm looking for a 2nd place and anything with "HOA" in the listing gets crossed off the list.
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Like some others, you and I are just not suited to living anywhere with an HOA. I couldn't wouldn't put up with such nonsense.
Yea, I've heard that some of them restrict the number of number of abandoned cars you can have on blocks in your front yard. Where else would you chain your dogs?
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Yea, I've heard that some of them restrict the number of number of abandoned cars you can have on blocks in your front yard. Where else would you chain your dogs?
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I guess HOA stands for Haughty Onerous A******s.

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Yea, I've heard that some of them restrict the number of number of abandoned cars you can have on blocks in your front yard. Where else would you chain your dogs?
Good one. Reminds me of the joke: "You might be a redneck if you mow your lawn and discover an abandoned car."
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Old 11-17-2011, 06:51 AM   #28
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Yea, I've heard that some of them restrict the number of number of abandoned cars you can have on blocks in your front yard. Where else would you chain your dogs?
To the old RV that you use for an addition on the house.

No joke, there's a guy a few miles from here who did exactly that. HOA's aren't always all bad.
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In most HOAs that I am familiar with, fences (sometimes termed party walls) between adjacent properties are a joint responsibility between the adjacent property owners and includes sharing of maintenance and replacement costs (eg joint ownership).

Also, if a single unit wanted to install an architectual improvement, typically most HOA's have committees that would have to approve the improvement, so presumably there would be a record to confirm who made that improvement if it was done by one particular owner in the past.
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Read the Deed Restrictions/Covenants for your property. You should have received a copy when you closed. Normally all "improvements" in existence at time of purchase are "grandfathered in" when a property is bought whether previously approved or not. In our HOA the President has to give a statement to the closing company that all dues are paid and that there are no outstanding issues before a sale can be completed.
I think all/most HOA's have this in Deed Covenants.
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"You might be a redneck if you mow your lawn and discover an abandoned car."
I am not a redneck, but I really did discover a car (two in fact) when I was mowing my fields...buried over 40 years ago, and little by little the dirt settled around them.

If I had to guess, there are more than 2 - but I am not going digging for them.
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I helped create a monster HOA in our subdivision, serving on the initial board and later becoming HOA president. After two years I could no longer stand it and ran for my life. Something about HOA's seems to attract control freaks and nut jobs who lack both reason and common sense.
My wife was elected to an HOA board when we lived in Houston. (That she was recruited to run for the position after we lived there for only 6 months should have been a red flag, as in "no one who knows the situation will do it".) It was actually a rather benign HOA which didn't much use Gestapo tactics, didn't aggressively enforce minor technical violations and had never foreclosed on anyone in its 40 years of existence.

Just the same, as soon as she was elected, she started getting bashed (along with other board members) by some militant anti-authoritarians in the development whose raison d'etre seemed to be finding joy in attacking the motives and character of the people on the board.
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...as she was elected, she started getting bashed (along with other board members) by some militant anti-authoritarians in the development whose raison d'etre seemed to be finding joy in attacking the motives and character of the people on the board.
Yep, not all the neighborhood nut-jobs seek HOA positions. There seem to be three camps - the rule freaks who migrate to board membership, the anti-establishment types as you describe above, and us normal folks.
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Yep, not all the neighborhood nut-jobs seek HOA positions. There seem to be three camps - the rule freaks who migrate to board membership, the anti-establishment types as you describe above, and us normal folks.
Yeah -- here's an example. There was a short-term need for an additional assistant to the one paid HOA staffer in the office. It was sporadic, part-time and only lasted a few months. The board wanted someone who was flexible and knew the association and the development well. My wife volunteered to do it.

The "job" paid $8 per hour, an average of maybe 10-15 hours a week for about three months, and no benefits. Additionally, there was an upgrade project for the pool and clubhouse area for which fundraisers were being held, and she donated half of her pay to this project. Nevertheless, the core group of haters raised a stink about this deal, as if she used their "clout" on the board to get this "job" that paid her basically nothing after taxes and donations back to the HOA -- as an example of the horrible, rampant corruption on the board and as an excuse to attack the character and ethics of the entire board. (Never mind that no one else ever "applied" for this work.)

Eventually she got tired of it and quit -- and they had to pay someone else even *more* to do it, and that wasn't someone who gave several hundred dollars back to the association's upgrade project along the way.

No good deed goes unpunished. And we quickly learned why they were desperate for candidates to run for the board every year.
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Its amazing how 1 or 2 bad apples can poisen a HOA. I'm a on a board, and will never volunteer again. We have 2 people that are extremely immature, and love talking trash about people. Very unprofessional environment

My recommendation to you would be to try to talk with people on the board with them all there. Many people like to talk behind your back, but are usually cowards to your face. Would be better to see the people when talking with them.
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No good deed goes unpunished. And we quickly learned why they were desperate for candidates to run for the board every year.
When we lived in a condo the associations were always like that. Lots of rotation among the council because every association meeting brought one or two real obsessive outspoken nutjobs owners that were disruptive and would not accept any views that did not match their own.

Our HOA in Fl is ok. They are petty tyrants but do an excellent job overseeing the maintenance and upkeep, which requires a lot of personal time.
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When our HOA had a possible claim against a resident, they hired me to survey the property in order to either prove or disprove the claim. I would think that the responsibility for the survey in your case lies with the HOA. How do they even know whose fence it is, and who to make the claim against?
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Yep, not all the neighborhood nut-jobs seek HOA positions. There seem to be three camps - the rule freaks who migrate to board membership, the anti-establishment types as you describe above, and us normal folks.
The problem is that everyone thinks they are in the third category and that everyone else is in the former two.
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Note to self: Never live anywhere with a HOA.
+1 I have not ever lived anywhere that had an HOA and I do not want to. I don't care if my property is valued lower or not. I could not stand having the feeling that people were spying on me and then creating problems for me because of their spying. Besides, lower property values means lower property taxes. Win, win situation IMHO.
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Yep, not all the neighborhood nut-jobs seek HOA positions. There seem to be three camps - the rule freaks who migrate to board membership, the anti-establishment types as you describe above, and us normal folks.
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