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Old 01-02-2009, 10:56 AM   #21
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CB'ers or bootleggers (unlicensed operators) don't bother to learn the code.
Yeah, after the FCC removed the code requirement, my Dad always said that was the down-fall of 'hamming'. He said all they (FCC) did was "dumb-down" the testing procedures, and now all the 'g*dd*mned CB'ers' will be over running the ham bands with mindless chatter. And that's what happened around here on 2-meters....a bunch of 'good buddies' got their ham licenses and brought their CB drivel over 2-meters.

I still have a couple of frequencies programmed into my scanner in the workshop, to listen to a few of the our friends chat occasionally. Of course, I usually end up 'blocking' that freq , because it starts sounding like the truckers' channel on the CB.
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Old 01-03-2009, 08:45 AM   #22
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Way back in the dark ages of college, I lived in a dorm with a 1000 watt AM radio station tower in the front yard. We could pick up that station by wrapping a headphone cable around the bedsprings. It came in on top of any audio device you tried to use including the telephone. With careful use of line filters, and going to shield speaker wires and making sure everything was grounded well you could get a pretty clean sound back out of your audio system.

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Two thoughts on ham radio:

1. I always found it amusing that the main thing that hams seemed to talk about was their equipment ("rig"). That is, they put together this stuff just to talk about the stuff they put together.

2. Doesn't the Internet now fulfill many of the needs that ham radio was used for (that is, converse with strangers around the world)?
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2. Doesn't the Internet now fulfill many of the needs that ham radio was used for (that is, converse with strangers around the world)?
Almost. You miss out on getting to say "over".
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Yeah, but how are you going to find the King of Jordan on the Internet?

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Yeah, but how are you going to find the King of Jordan on the Internet?
For all we know, he walks among us commoners today. Maybe picking up some good asset allocation tips or something.
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two thoughts on ham radio:

1. I always found it amusing that the main thing that hams seemed to talk about was their equipment ("rig"). That is, they put together this stuff just to talk about the stuff they put together.

2. Doesn't the internet now fulfill many of the needs that ham radio was used for (that is, converse with strangers around the world)?


yes you are right on all accounts, except for helping with emergency services and getting to go to all the disasters i find the internet more interesting...

REMINDS ME OF WHEN I WAS INTO HI END AUDIO EQUIPTMENT WE SPENT MORE TIME LISTENING TO EQUIPMENT DIFFERENCES THEN THE ACTUAL MUSIC
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Two thoughts on ham radio:

1. I always found it amusing that the main thing that hams seemed to talk about was their equipment ("rig"). That is, they put together this stuff just to talk about the stuff they put together.

2. Doesn't the Internet now fulfill many of the needs that ham radio was used for (that is, converse with strangers around the world)?
1. You mean like how all us retired early folks sit around typing on computers telling about what we do now that we're retired?
I'm poking fun at myself, because I made my living mostly typing on computers.

2. Seems like for natural disasters, radio might be more robust?
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2. Seems like for natural disasters, radio might be more robust?
That's one reason Morse code has been so long lived - on a weak/noisy signal, you can pick out the difference between a dash and a dot far more accurately than you can decode verbal communication.

It's essentially digital communication, just two states to distinguish, dot and dash, very robust.

Of course today, they can pull all sorts of tricks with modern digital encoding. For example, GPS repeats the same signal many times, once the receiver is synced to the repetition rate, it can just keep adding up one signal to the next and eventually a signal buried way in the noise will start to rise above the noise level (the noise being uncorrelated, and the signal being correlated will mean the signal adds up faster than the random noise).

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You guys are giving me a headache with all your tech talk and gobble-de-gook! Personally I think the problem is an X sub-B bar with a hankle on the pos-pi. If not that, then it's a pos-pi on the sti sci for.
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That's one reason Morse code has been so long lived - on a weak/noisy signal, you can pick out the difference between a dash and a dot far more accurately than you can decode verbal communication.
In the case of TFFMC's interference, voice signals audible on her computer speakers are garbled and completely unintelligible because there is no circuitry to demodulate the signal and convert it to human-understandable audio. But when Morse signals are used, the content is easily interpreted.

But, you're right that today's digital signalling processing can, in many situations, rival Morse in being able to communicate under tough conditions.

For amateur radio operators, using Morse is analogous to a golfer actually going outdoors on the course and playing as opposed to staying inside and playing a simulation on his computer. Or a surfer actually going to the beach and surfing as opposed to staying inside and playing a simulation...... I'ts fun and requires a little mental agility to send and receive Morse without computer aids.
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For all we know, he walks among us commoners today. Maybe picking up some good asset allocation tips or something.
That's the son's gig - the current king.

Senior was a ham radio operator.

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Yeah, but how are you going to find the King of Jordan on the Internet?

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Senior was a ham radio operator.

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I remember many moons ago...when both my Dad and the King (of Jordan..NOT Elvis ) were still above the dirt....the day that my Dad talked to him. Dad had talked to folks all over the globe for many years, but making contact with the King was a high spot in his Ham experiences and memories! I don't recall now, if they exchanged QSL cards or not....someday I'll have to dig around and see if I can find one if they did.
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In the case of TFFMC's interference, voice signals audible on her computer speakers are garbled and completely unintelligible because there is no circuitry to demodulate the signal and convert it to human-understandable audio. But when Morse signals are used, the content is easily interpreted.

But, you're right that today's digital signalling processing can, in many situations, rival Morse in being able to communicate under tough conditions.

For amateur radio operators, using Morse is analogous to a golfer actually going outdoors on the course and playing as opposed to staying inside and playing a simulation on his computer. Or a surfer actually going to the beach and surfing as opposed to staying inside and playing a simulation...... I'ts fun and requires a little mental agility to send and receive Morse without computer aids.

morse code was done away with years ago as a requirement ...digital communications such as packet have surpassed it in efficiancy..

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I remember many moons ago...when both my Dad and the King (of Jordan..NOT Elvis ) were still above the dirt....the day that my Dad talked to him. Dad had talked to folks all over the globe for many years, but making contact with the King was a high spot in his Ham experiences and memories! I don't recall now, if they exchanged QSL cards or not....someday I'll have to dig around and see if I can find one if they did.
In these days of heightened security, when Barack Obama's Blackberry has been Banished, if the late King of Jordan were still alive, he would probably be strongly discouraged from his ham radio hobby!

By the way, what did Mr. Goonie Snr. and the King chat about?
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Amateur radio: Playing with radio communications for the fun and pleasure of it.

There are on the HF frequencies many "ragchewers" who communicate daily about various topics, nut unlike here on this forum. Topics as here can range from hairballs, through investments, old age pins and remedies, to rocket science. No need for emoticons, tone of voice conveys tons of meaning.

Several people get together on the same frequency and do round table discussions. There are emergency nets, well coordinated and controlled by net control.

The users of amateur spectrum run the gamut form morse code with straight keys, iambic paddles at breakneck speed, radio locations digital modes by the bucket.

Some of the stuff can be lifesaving in an emergency, some are done just to pass the time. Yes, there are contests for maximum number of contacts in a day, or by continent, none of which ever interested me.

I used to run a ham radio when I was on board a research ship, having folks in various places on the earth, running autopatch so crew members could say hi to wives, kids, mothers etc.

This was in the days when ships were still required to have a "Radio Officer" on board. Except running telegrams through his radio via morse code cost big bucks. They charged by the words.

So as you might guess I hold a Ham license, as well as a commercial radio operators' license. To this day I have 2 meter rigs in my cars. Yeah cell phones may be more efficient, but you cant just put a call out: XX2XXX is monitoring, mobile. And then a good chance to strike up a chat with a fellow amateur for a while. This is done through club maintained repeaters. Some of these repeaters are phenomenally complex. Interconnect (translate) several frequencies and other repeaters.
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ARRLWeb: It's Official! Morse Code Requirement Ends Friday, February 23
That's true. The legal requirement to know the code is gone. Yet, just as some golfers still actually go out in the sunshine and play on the course instead of staying indoors and playing a computer simulation, or some surfers actually head to the beach instead of an indoor session of computer simulated surfing, some ham operators still "pound brass" as part of the hobby.

Many hobbiests master the code easily, just as some master a foreign language with little effort. Others struggle........
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By the way, what did Mr. Goonie Snr. and the King chat about?
As I recall, they just exchanged pleasantries for a few minutes, and then continued on with their lives....just like so many other contacts that they made over the years. Besides being a fairly unique opportunity for my Dad, it sure added some fuel to his bragging rights!
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Two thoughts on ham radio:

1. I always found it amusing that the main thing that hams seemed to talk about was their equipment ("rig"). That is, they put together this stuff just to talk about the stuff they put together.

2. Doesn't the Internet now fulfill many of the needs that ham radio was used for (that is, converse with strangers around the world)?
I noticed as a kid that all the hams talked about was their eqpt, too. Then they got into microprocessors in the '70s and starting sending each other digital pics... Guess what the pics were of.

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