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Old 05-13-2006, 01:56 PM   #21
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Excerpts from "The Road," by T.E. Lawrence


I get all misty eyed when reading his stuff.
And how do you feel when you recall how Lawrence died?

I think bikes can be incredibly exciting. But I made my first spill my last, many years ago. Besides me, I have all those other idiots on the road to worry about.

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Re: Motorcycle Mania
Old 05-13-2006, 02:28 PM   #22
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I should probably add: I really enjoyed riding the bike, though I did have some close calls. But then my dad was diagnosed with cancer and since my mom had already died, it was clear to me that I'd soon be 21 years old and loking after my younger sis. I didn't think it was fair to her to take the risk of riding the motorcycle anymore. That's when stopped riding, and I haven't started again.



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I didn't think it was fair to her to take the risk of riding the motorcycle anymore. That's when* stopped riding, and I haven't started again.
I enjoyed static-line parachute jumping, too, and yet somehow I haven't returned to the field in over 20 years.
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Some clarifications ... took the motorcycle safety course, and also rode extensively in my 20's and late teens.* In my 50's now, family is set, insurance in place (life / disability), solid investments if I'm gone, and I recognize well the downsides and potential disasters.

Not cavalier, but live must be lived ... not all investment.*

The metric bikes are great too ... I'd like to try a sport bike, metric cruiser and mild off road again as well.*

Thanks for all the tips ... love the cop / girl photo.

Not keen on heights, so I'll probably pass on the safer mountain climbing and skydiving activities ... surreptitious girl watching is my next most favorite dangerous activity.*

Though kayaking beckons ...
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It's just that motorcycling seems to have a very high risk caused by placing your safety in the hands of other inattentive or incompetent drivers. I've never looked up the stats but I bet it has one of the highest injury/death rates of any lifestyle activity. HD should sell a t-shirt: "WARNING: Motorcycles can get you killed or injured even if it's not your fault. But gosh, will you look cool!!"
Telling motorcyclists that cycling is risky is like asking a early-retiree, "Whaddya DO all day?!?"

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Old 05-13-2006, 03:37 PM   #26
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LOL that's right Rich!!!
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Telling motorcyclists that cycling is risky is like asking a early-retiree, "Whaddya DO all day?!?"
Good point. I should have a t-shirt made for that, too.

I saw "Will surf for beer" yesterday...
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In my 54 years I have been a certified scuba diver, dove to 185' depth in the Bahamas, airborne (20 plus jumps) and ranger qualified with a year in Nam as an infantry platoon sgt. Worked 32 years in a petro chemical plant were we manufactured ammonium nitrate and hydrogen cyanide and had our fair share of fires and explosions. When I made the decision to ride a bike I read everything I could about motorcycle safety and took a MSF course. I have put over 10K safe miles on my bike. The best advice I ever heard about riding was to pretend that you are a fighter pilot and everybody is out to shoot your butt down. Riding has actually made me a better all around driver. With all that said I still know that you are 14 times more likely to have an accident on a bike as compared to a car. That is a risk I am willing to take.
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I have a blaze orange helmet. It helps a lot with visibility.

www.aerostich.com makes great lime yellow high-viz clothes.

Never ride in someone's blind spot. Vary your speed. Keep you lights on bright during the day. Know your exit strategy. Take the courses.

It never will be safe, but I won't give it up.

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There's some interesting data at

http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/

on transportation fatalities.* It appears that the biggest thing you can do to be more safe is not to move, even by foot, after drinking.

I won't ride a motorcycle unless I"m wearing a helmet and other riding gear.* I've fallen off at less than walking speeds (I ride vintage trials bikes which involves negotiating a course with tight turns and obstacles without putting a foot down or going out of bounds, often at walking speed or less) and I have no illusions about "just this once".* Bicycles look to me like something that people ought to be wearing full protective gear when riding, and I'd probably want to do the same on a horse, skate board, snow skis, etc.* Protective gear usually makes crashing less unpleasant.

I feel a lot safer on the race track than I do on my infrequent street rides.* But then I've had a Ford Econoline van totaled when I was just a few blocks down the street from the house and a lady ran a stop sign in her Civic.* I've seen people in cars nearly run into (or be run over by) fire engines with their sirens going, so there doesn't seem to be anything you can do to ensure that people see you.

The UK motorcyclists call a common cause of car/two-wheeler accidents a SMIDSY - "sorry mate, I didn't see you".

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My Best Friend from High School First Year University , stopped at Stop Sign, car slid into his rear, knocked him into traffic.

Last time I was on a Bike, extremely competent rider, a car decided to pass coming towards us, could not get in, pulled into our lane knowing full well he could have killed us.

I was on my CB listening to Truckers as they deliberatly played dangerous games with some bikers, truckers thought it was a big hoot, boxing the bikes in, forcing them over.

Not for me.
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It never will be safe, but I won't give it up.
Years ago I owned a Gold Wing. My son, then age 20, wanted to ride it occasionally. I was in my mid 40s, paying about $400 a year for higher level of insurance. Just for fun, one year I asked the insurance company what my son would pay for the same coverage. The answer was something like $1700.

I have always felt that motorcycling and hypertestosteronemia didn't mix well.

My old-fart routine consists of ALWAYS wearing full Aerostich jacket and pants, boots, helmet and gloves. I ride a large and conspicuous bike with lots of lights. The tire pressure gets checked before every ride. Parking lot practice occurs every month or so (it's a very big bike, easy to drop if you are not careful).

For all that, the risk remains high. Almost as high as the enjoyment I get from it. But not quite.
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Old 05-13-2006, 07:37 PM   #33
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I had one conversation with my grandmother about bikes. She asked how I could do it, what with it being so dangerous and all. I told her I couldn't understand how she could ride horses for transportation when she was young as my limited experience with horses was pretty scary. She seemed to think that was an entirely different situation, and we pretty much called it a draw.

If I decide to start doing more street riding I'll definitely get an Aerostitch with all the armor/padding they can put in it, and it will be the one piece suit so there is none of this "I'll just wear the jacket today" stuff. Until then, I'll wear my full roadrace leathers/armor for my infrequent street ride.

There seems no shortage of interesting risk sports. The riskiest time is probably just after being a total newbie, when you start to get cocky without any expertise to back it up. Boating, skiing, parachuting, hang gliding, mountain biking, picking up random sexual partners at bars - they all seem pretty risky to me. I'll stick with the one sport that I've hopefully developed some expertise at, and not tempt fate by adding any others.

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Rich_in_tampa, That is perfect!

Trials? A dab'l do ya.
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And how do you feel when you recall how Lawrence died?

I think bikes can be incredibly exciting. But I made my first spill my last, many years ago. Besides me, I have all those other idiots on the road to worry about.

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Old 05-13-2006, 08:16 PM   #36
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Here's a little attention-getter. Turn the sound on.


http://www.devon-cornwall.police.uk/.../howclose.mpeg
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Non sequitor, with the photos you've posted you should find a lot of the photos (1600+) on my website of interest: http://www.eurospares.com

take the middle link, and go down to the photo pages. You may like some of the technical articles too - I design and build my own race bikes.

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Michael.* WOW!

That's awesome.* I guess there's nothing more for me to say.

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Here's a little attention-getter.* Turn the sound on.


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Thanks.

That's beautiful Sam. I had read about this ad campaign. I know that motorcycles are more important and mainstream in Europe. I guess it's good to see an official govt. attempt to promote safety by educating automobile drivers, but I still think the cyclist needs to assume all of the responsibility for safe operation.
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I had one conversation with my grandmother about bikes.* She asked how I could do it, what with it being so dangerous and all.* I told her I couldn't understand how she could ride horses for transportation when she was young as my limited experience with horses was pretty scary.* She seemed to think that was an entirely different situation, and we pretty much called it a draw.*
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Never had that problem with my Grandma. She's a Gold Wing rider and actually bought me my first dirt bike at 14. My parents were PISSED!!! Oh well, been hooked ever since. How cool is it to have a biker grandma!!! 8)
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