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Old 05-29-2014, 10:11 PM   #21
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Here's another alphabetizing issue. I thought I might see if I could take advantage of the start screen. I unpinned all the apps I don't use, and added the ones I use. It looks like this:

StartScreen.jpg

But, you can't sort these alphabetically. And I don't mean that you can't tell the computer to sort them (although you can't). You can't even manually move them around, since as you do that the apps shift in hard to understand ways. You move something to a new position, and the tile that's replaced moves to somewhere unexpected. There are groups of tiles that are two columns wide.

It's not worth the effort.
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Old 05-29-2014, 11:25 PM   #22
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Al, maybe this will help:

How to tame the Windows 8 Metro Start screen - CNET

If not, there are many other articles online so try Google.

I haven't done a thing with my Metro interface since last October when I bought this computer. I decided I preferred the desktop interface at that time, and so decided to make a BIG tile to click on to take me back to the desktop. That way, if I accidently end up at the Metro interface I can get back before you know it.

I left a few other tiles, but haven't ever used even one of them.
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Yes, I think I'll just continue to avoid the "Metro Interface." Note that Microsoft doesn't use that term anymore. They call it "Windows 8," which doesn't make a lot of sense.

I just got this book from the library:

http://www.amazon.com/Windows-8-1-Mi...ing+manual+8.1


and David Pogue (author) says, "there's no good name for it, so in this book we'll call it 'TileWorld.'"
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Yes, I think I'll just continue to avoid the "Metro Interface." Note that Microsoft doesn't use that term anymore. They call it "Windows 8," which doesn't make a lot of sense.

I just got this book from the library:

Amazon.com: Windows 8.1: The Missing Manual eBook: David Pogue: Books


and David Pogue (author) says, "there's no good name for it, so in this book we'll call it 'TileWorld.'"
TileWorld? That's HILARIOUS, and a great description of exactly what it is! After learning what he calls it, I already like this author.
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Yes, I think I'll just continue to avoid the "Metro Interface." Note that Microsoft doesn't use that term anymore. They call it "Windows 8," which doesn't make a lot of sense.

I just got this book from the library:

Amazon.com: Windows 8.1: The Missing Manual eBook: David Pogue: Books


and David Pogue (author) says, "there's no good name for it, so in this book we'll call it 'TileWorld.'"
Note that if you install the windows 8.1 update the system boots to the desktop if it is not touch enabled. You do have to decide what icons you want on it.
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That's one of the two books I ordered yesterday, should be here tomorrow. I keep them on the shelf nearby and make notes on a 3x5 card used as a bookmark as I read for stuff I know I won't remember but will want to find easily.
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The "Windows 8.1 -- The Missing Manual" is a great book. I'm finding a lot of little shortcuts and tricks that make things faster.

I've always been impressed with Pogue:

David Pogue 2013 TedTalk - YouTube

PBS NOVA - Making Stuff Wilder (S41E04, Oct. 23 2013) - YouTube
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The "Windows 8.1 -- The Missing Manual" is a great book. I'm finding a lot of little shortcuts and tricks that make things faster.

I've always been impressed with Pogue:

David Pogue 2013 TedTalk - YouTube

PBS NOVA - Making Stuff Wilder (S41E04, Oct. 23 2013) - YouTube
Super! I'll have to check it out; it sounds great.

Here are a few shortcuts that I found online and noted. By now I know and use them, especially the first two. The book probably includes them too.

Windows key + D: display/hide DESKTOP
Windows key + C: display/hide CHARMS
Windows key + F1: open Windows help file
Windows key + F: open search charm to search for files
Windows key + L: lock your PC or switch users
Windows key + M: minimize all windows
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Oh, my. It turns out that getting a new computer has always been stressful. Way back in 1966, Tom Digby wrote this about the new computer experience. I wonder what version of Windows did this?

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1.
Oh we got a new computer but it's quite a disappointment
'Cause it always gave this same insane advice:
"OH YOU NEED LITTLE TEENY EYES FOR READING LITTLE TEENY PRINT
LIKE YOU NEED LITTLE TEENY HANDS FOR MILKING MICE."

2.
So we re-read the instruction book that came with the computer
But it kept on printing crazy stuff that reads
Like: "YOU NEED LITTLE TEENY EYES FOR READING LITTLE TEENY PRINT
LIKE YOU NEED LITTLE TEENY SHOES FOR CENTIPEDES." 

3. So we got an expert genius and he rewrote all the programs
But we always got results that looked like these:
"OH YOU NEED LITTLE TEENY EYES FOR READING LITTLE TEENY PRINT
LIKE YOU NEED LITTLE TEENY LICENSE PLATES FOR BEES."

4.
Then we tested each resistor, every diode and transistor,
But our EElectronic brain just raves and rants:
"OH YOU NEED LITTLE TEENY EYES FOR READING LITTLE TEENY PRINT 
LIKE YOU NEED LITTLE BRANDING IRONS FOR BRANDING ANTS."

5.
Now we're looking for a buyer for a crazy mad computer
That will only give out crazy mad advice
Like: "YOU NEED LITTLE TEENY EYES FOR READING LITTLE TEENY PRINT 
LIKE YOU NEED LITTLE TEENY HANDS FOR MILKING MICE."

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I purchased an all in one Dell desktop one year ago and have been swearing at myself ever since. I have avoided the tile page ( which I think you all have referred to as metro interface), preferring to stick to the desktop. I am ever so slowing growing used to this system. I have not updated to 8.1 out of fear that I'll encounter another learning curve and have to get used to more quirks. Do the good people on this board have any horror stories on 8.1 or have any of you resisted as I have? I also have struggled with Office 360 and the new Outlook 2013 app. Has anyone had issues with outlook?
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Oh, my. It turns out that getting a new computer has always been stressful. Way back in 1966, Tom Digby wrote this about the new computer experience. I wonder what version of Windows did this?

Code:
                          Little Teeny Eyes
1.
Oh we got a new computer but it's quite a disappointment
'Cause it always gave this same insane advice:
"OH YOU NEED LITTLE TEENY EYES FOR READING LITTLE TEENY PRINT
LIKE YOU NEED LITTLE TEENY HANDS FOR MILKING MICE."

2.
So we re-read the instruction book that came with the computer
But it kept on printing crazy stuff that reads
Like: "YOU NEED LITTLE TEENY EYES FOR READING LITTLE TEENY PRINT
LIKE YOU NEED LITTLE TEENY SHOES FOR CENTIPEDES." 

3. So we got an expert genius and he rewrote all the programs
But we always got results that looked like these:
"OH YOU NEED LITTLE TEENY EYES FOR READING LITTLE TEENY PRINT
LIKE YOU NEED LITTLE TEENY LICENSE PLATES FOR BEES."

4.
Then we tested each resistor, every diode and transistor,
But our EElectronic brain just raves and rants:
"OH YOU NEED LITTLE TEENY EYES FOR READING LITTLE TEENY PRINT 
LIKE YOU NEED LITTLE BRANDING IRONS FOR BRANDING ANTS."

5.
Now we're looking for a buyer for a crazy mad computer
That will only give out crazy mad advice
Like: "YOU NEED LITTLE TEENY EYES FOR READING LITTLE TEENY PRINT 
LIKE YOU NEED LITTLE TEENY HANDS FOR MILKING MICE."

                              -- Tom Digby
                              written  1/27/66
                              first publication APA-L #69  2/10/66
Actually that sounds a lot like dos, on a 15 inch monitor which was standard at the time. Even with write on WFW 311 you could change the font size.
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Oh, my. It turns out that getting a new computer has always been stressful. Way back in 1966, Tom Digby wrote this about the new computer experience. I wonder what version of Windows did this?
Yea, remember when Al Bundy got a computer....

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I've spent hours trying to get my iTunes tunes over the new computer, along with the song ratings. A lot of things that were supposed to work did not, but I finally got things transferred. I finally dusted off (literally) my iPod touch, and used an app called CopyTrans to get the tunes from that to the iTunes folder.

I've always hated iTunes, and considered using a new system, but I figure that at least it's the devil I know.

Unfortunately, my new computer seems to have several huge music apps pre-installed.
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I've been trying native Windows 8.1 solutions to problems, but I think I will have to go with classic shell.

Here's what I need to achieve. In XP, bringing up all programs showed me an alphabetical list of every app I'd installed. I didn't need to set this up or organize it. I could fit everything on one screen:



Is there any way to get this without installing classic shell?
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I wonder if anyone, even those who say they have no problem with Windows 8 and adapted to it in half an hour, really uses the Tileworld interface or just goes straight to the classic desktop?
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Actually that sounds a lot like dos, on a 15 inch monitor which was standard at the time. Even with write on WFW 311 you could change the font size.
Not in 1966 it wasn't. It had to be a mainframe somewhere at work.
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Not in 1966 it wasn't. It had to be a mainframe somewhere at work.
Yes thats correct. It was maddening back then. We think of 'green screen' and everyone knows that's 24×80. Thats model 2, in the '60s there were many model 1 devices, 12×40. Can't put much data on that. Also, the first and last lines were hardly ever visable, so you could only use 10 or 22 lines, if you wanted to make sure the user saw it.

Those upgrades took a year, or more. And you could modify the OS or CICS, JES etc. Where was that code? How much could you just use, vs. What had to be redone?

There were no lpars, Oh you want a test MF, sure write up cost justification. As a result the systems team got 3-4 hours a week to test. Midnight Saturday to 4AM Sundays, lots of fun.

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I have not updated to 8.1 out of fear that I'll encounter another learning curve and have to get used to more quirks. Do the good people on this board have any horror stories on 8.1 or have any of you resisted as I have? I also have struggled with Office 360 and the new Outlook 2013 app. Has anyone had issues with outlook?
I'm still running MS Office 2007 and have not had any issues with Win 8.1 with it so far. Outlook is the Office application we use the most.

We bought an Asus laptop as a supplemental box for the main tower while that's waiting for parts.

Although I did get the big thick book for the OS, once I found stumbled across the desktop I haven't had any difficulties at all with it. Still reading the book though.
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This may be far afield from the discussion, but my salvation in the confusions that attend different operating systems and desktops, has been the simple free program, Everything.
After a very short scan... less than a minute, it provides an instant search of any and every file on the computer, even if you don't know the full name. Search by partial name, file extension and use * for missing or unknowns. ie. if you needed to look for a File named Social Security.pdf , you could input so*.pdf.
Since I use multiple computers, and have a failing memory, I find myself using this Everything mini program on a regular basis.
While it doesn't "solve" the Desktop problem, it's an excellent way to find the path to the file or folder in question.
The other great part of this program is that you can sort by name, type file, date, last date modified, etc.
If I were to rate all of the programs on my computers, this would be at the top of the list.
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I wonder if anyone, even those who say they have no problem with Windows 8 and adapted to it in half an hour, really uses the Tileworld interface or just goes straight to the classic desktop?
The tileworld interface is a joke. They should call it not-windows because there are no windows. Today it opened a video in one of those tileworld apps. It takes the full screen, and I have to do the full up/down swipe to close it.

But, I guess if you have a tablet, it isn't so different from android, and that works fine. On a small tablet, you wouldn't want smaller windows. But on a big laptop...
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