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03-20-2009, 02:53 PM
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As Leonidas said, you cannot go wrong using "Ms." in any business/professional corresondence with a woman just as you would use "Mr." for a man (I imagine many men who have doctorate-level degrees received mail addressed to them as Mr., and the same would be true for women).
I also use Martha's non-use of a salutation, but I think for the letter Landonew is sending, a salutation is appropriate.
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03-20-2009, 03:19 PM
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Dryer sheet aficionado
Join Date: Mar 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ziggy29
The stereotype as I've always heard it is that they prefer married men and single women -- married men because they are seen as more "responsible" and duty-bound to provide for their family (and perhaps past the young, drunk and stupid phase) and single women because they're seen as less likely to have family issues distracting her from her work.
Just more of that old "men as providers and women as nurturers" claptrap...
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Indeed.
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03-20-2009, 03:42 PM
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Jan 2009
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Alright, email is sent. I used Ms. pleasebemyboss.
Martha, I appreciate your advice. I will likely use that method in the future when dealing with clients.
To the rest, thanks for your opinions. They are appreciated as always.
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03-20-2009, 05:45 PM
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
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Claptrap it is. TY for saying that. Major points are awarded to you!
On the lighter side...Men can provide many things besides money ... companionship, takeout pizza on the way home, head scritches, etc.
I went from c*reer woman to "nurturer" almost 2 years ago. I nurture my self, I nurture my portfolio (poor baby...cooo coooo), I nurture my freedom. Oh, I almost forgot - dh2b gets a little bit of nurturing too.
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03-20-2009, 05:59 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Jan 2005
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I always preferred Ms. Men are Mr. whether they are single or married, so why should woman's marital status be an issue.
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03-20-2009, 06:09 PM
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Recycles dryer sheets
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Personally, I don't like it when people refer to me as "Mr". My parents named me Shawn, not "Mr". And because my name is gender-neutral, I often get correspondence addressed to "Ms", which I hate even more. In correspondence, I usually address people by their first names (assuming I know their first names).
I find the use of "Ms" to be hypocritical. Why go from Miss/Mrs to another gender-specific term? In business correspondence, gender shouldn't matter, so a non-gendered salutation (or none) should be used. In personal correspondence, gender and marital status may matter, so anything is fair game.
I'm not expert on etiquette, especially historical etiquette. However, my impression is that it was once appropriate to use separate terminology for both men and women ... Miss for women, and Master for men. But maybe this applied only to young or younger people.
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03-20-2009, 07:02 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
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Location: minnesota
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawn
Personally, I don't like it when people refer to me as "Mr". My parents named me Shawn, not "Mr". And because my name is gender-neutral, I often get correspondence addressed to "Ms", which I hate even more. In correspondence, I usually address people by their first names (assuming I know their first names).
I find the use of "Ms" to be hypocritical. Why go from Miss/Mrs to another gender-specific term? In business correspondence, gender shouldn't matter, so a non-gendered salutation (or none) should be used. In personal correspondence, gender and marital status may matter, so anything is fair game.
I'm not expert on etiquette, especially historical etiquette. However, my impression is that it was once appropriate to use separate terminology for both men and women ... Miss for women, and Master for men. But maybe this applied only to young or younger people.
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This is why I dropped salutations.
I used to do some work for a client that required me to write to lawyers in the middle east. I was told that I shouldn't use my first name, but just my first initial, and "esquire" instead of a title. Basically, this was to mislead them that I was a man, doing man business.
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03-20-2009, 07:46 PM
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Gone but not forgotten
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Martha
I never use "esquire," too old fashioned for me. Ms. seems to be the most commonly used in legal correspondence these days. Mrs. is wrong. If someone called me Mrs. Martha's last name it would be weird, especially as I never changed my name years ago when I married. Miss is weird too, at least in the north.
Years ago when writing letters I decided that there was an easy way around all the title issues. I never put a salutation on my letters. The letter would be addressed to Jane Doe at xyz but the body of the letter would omit a salutation. I had my associates do the same thing. You can't make a mistake that way and no one ever notices the absence of a salutation.
My letter would look like:
Jane Doe
Attorney at Law
X,Y, Z firm
street address
Re: Notice of Default
I represent the United States of America. You are in default of your bailout agreement with the United States. . . . .
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I have always been Ms and didn't change my name when I got married (then divorced). Have gotten into serious disputes with ignorant yahoos who insisted I couldn't file taxes as married if didn't have same last name, insisted DH couldn't claim me on PCS if we had different last names. Am really tired of ignorant bleaters. (OK rant off)
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03-20-2009, 08:46 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 10,125
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Martha
This is why I dropped salutations.
I used to do some work for a client that required me to write to lawyers in the middle east. I was told that I shouldn't use my first name, but just my first initial, and "esquire" instead of a title. Basically, this was to mislead them that I was a man, doing man business.
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J K Rowling would feel sympathetic.
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03-21-2009, 12:16 AM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: North of Montana
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PHD, shmeaichdee.
The only two on the site that I'd address as Dr. are Rich_in_Tampa and meadbh.
On a more serious note, if the lady in question doesn't hire you because of the salutation, she's not someone you want to work for anyway. Don't sweat it.
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