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Old 03-31-2014, 06:52 PM   #21
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This should be a "Dad" story. My father used to joke about he was the only one in the family without an advanced degree (true).

Then he'd sit back and say, "But I made all the money".
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I have a doctorate in educational administration from a fine (and accredited) university. I earned it over 30 years ago, and it meant something to me as a personal and professional accomplishment. People used it as a sign of respect and I never corrected those who used "Mr." instead. Some of my colleagues and fellow classmates were livid and refused to acknowledge people, if they were not called "Dr.".

I could care less about using "Dr." and, in fact, try to avoid it with tradesmen and repair people as the term usually increases the price for services since they think I'm a rich physician instead of a poor educator!!!!!
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Appears to me then that you are deserving of being called "Dr.". In my area, the ones who needed to be called it were the ones least deserving and most insecure. I worked for some good superintendents and I would let them have it with their "Dr." title. Amongst other cheap shots I would occasionally walk into a meeting complaining about my hip or back then asking "Dr." for a script. Only to quickly say, "I'm sorry, I keep forgetting you are not a real doctor".


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I have a doctorate in educational administration from a fine (and accredited) university. I earned it over 30 years ago, and it meant something to me as a personal and professional accomplishment. People used it as a sign of respect and I never corrected those who used "Mr." instead. Some of my colleagues and fellow classmates were livid and refused to acknowledge people, if they were not called "Dr.".

I could care less about using "Dr." and, in fact, try to avoid it with tradesmen and repair people as the term usually increases the price for services since they think I'm a rich physician instead of a poor educator!!!!!
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Good job prof12! I can't stand referring to academic PHd's as "Dr." I did it decades ago as a student rather than face the crap the ego-freaks would have rained down on me. But today, no way, not even when asked to in formal circumstances.

I even refer to my MD by his first name. He's 20 yrs younger than me and likely hasn't accomplished as much as I in life. And he's never flinched when I've done so. I do allow him to refer to me by my first name as well.
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I have a doctorate in educational administration from a fine (and accredited) university. I earned it over 30 years ago, and it meant something to me as a personal and professional accomplishment. People used it as a sign of respect and I never corrected those who used "Mr." instead. Some of my colleagues and fellow classmates were livid and refused to acknowledge people, if they were not called "Dr.".

I could care less about using "Dr." and, in fact, try to avoid it with tradesmen and repair people as the term usually increases the price for services since they think I'm a rich physician instead of a poor educator!!!!!
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I am glad you are taking this thread well . I meant no disrespect to poor professors or rich physicians. I just think that trying to force someone you never met to address you as Dr (no matter what the circumstance is) is somewhat out of line in this day and age (AND in Northern California). If it were between patients and physicians, professors and students/colleagues, I wouldn't think anything of it.
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I am glad you are taking this thread well . I meant no disrespect to poor professors or rich physicians. I just think that trying to force someone you never met to address you as Dr (no matter what the circumstance is) is somewhat out of line in this day and age (AND in Northern California). If it were between patients and physicians, professors and students/colleagues, I wouldn't think anything of it.
What about rich professors or poor physicians? They do exist, you know.
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Good job prof12! I can't stand referring to academic PHd's as "Dr." I did it decades ago as a student rather than face the crap the ego-freaks would have rained down on me. But today, no way, not even when asked to in formal circumstances.

I even refer to my MD by his first name. He's 20 yrs younger than me and likely hasn't accomplished as much as I in life. And he's never flinched when I've done so. I do allow him to refer to me by my first name as well.

The majority of the PHD programs in my area are just a diploma mill. A few are rigorous but most people avoid those, because all they really wanted was the title. I also had a couple good friends who had their admin. doctorate, but were still teaching under me. I would let them have it. At the lunch table I would say occasionally "You two are obviously smarter than me because you have your doctorates, as I only have a masters. But yet I am your boss and make twice as much as you both do, and don't have a $30,000 student loan...Wait maybe I am smarter than both of you!"


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Sounds like ego to me.....did you ask if he was a Proctologist??
He probably was not a proctologist... but it sounds like he needs one to help him get his head out of his ass.
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This Dr. business can backfire. I worked with a man with a PhD in Geology, and one time in the 1970's he went somewhere in Mexico to look at rocks. His secretary made him hotel reservations in a little town, and use Dr. in his name as he preferred that. When he arrived at this hotel, apparently, according to him, there was a line of people with children waiting at the hotel for a medical doctor.
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Not in my world they don't!!!!!! :-)
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What a jackwagon.

DW and I have 3 master's from name brand (and stoopidly expensive) schools and an alphabet's worth of letters after our names. I very much do not want to be recognized for any of that crap. It is my fervent hope that when I hop out of the truck in my thrift shop clothes and 3 days' worth of beard growth you would only respect me for what I say and do.
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What about rich professors or poor physicians?
Really? Are they real doctors?
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Really? Are they real doctors?
Ok, how about this: female family doctor working part time at a clinic for $45k per annum. I met her 10 years ago, but still.....
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Really? Are they real doctors?

It's my understanding she is. So she'd know. More than me, anyway.
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Mister... If it's good enough for a president, it's good enough for me.
So if a MD or PhD was elected president, would he be called Mr. President or Dr. President?

I googled it and found out that Woodrow Wilson had a PhD but was always referred to as Mr. President.
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I bet she'd be called Ms. President while in office. Dr. (whatever) thereafter.
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I had looked into this before as my Son earned his Doctor of Pharmacy degree, and I was just curious. It seems that the most unbiased sources would say that anyone who earns a Doctorate degree of any kind has earned the use of the title of "Doctor". Of course, when/where the title should be used was a lot more subjective. But it seemed that it was generally accepted that in formal settings within that profession, say presenting a paper at a conference, any person holding a Doctorate degree in that field would be introduced as 'Doctor' so-and-so.

But when I read discussions of the topic on Medical Doctor oriented sites, there seemed to be a much stronger feeling that the term "Doctor" only applies to Medical Doctors. And that it be used in just about all settings. I do recall being at a wedding and sitting near an MD, and when another relative was introduced as "Doctor", the MD scowled, mumbled something about 'not a real Doctor, he's got a Doctorate in Psychology....'.

I know very little about PhD's, but I know there are MDs, there are PhDs, and there are what are called 'professional degrees', like my son's PharmD or a Physical Therapist (DPT).

I'd be tempted to reply to any MD that made a stink about this to a PhD - "Did you need to present a dissertation of original research, and defend that work to a panel of experts in the field, like this Doctor?". For me, that has always been a very impressive milestone for a PhD. AFAIK, that is not required of an MD or a 'professional degreed' Doctorate.

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I meant to add - I also tend to call my Dentist "Doctor" when he enters after the hygienist has done her thing. No big deal, he's a down-to-earth guy, not pretentious at all. But he is a Doctor of Dentistry, so why not?

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I meant to add - I also tend to call my Dentist "Doctor" when he enters after the hygienist has done her thing. No big deal, he's a down-to-earth guy, not pretentious at all. But he is a Doctor of Dentistry, so why not?

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Actually, sounds better than "Good afternoon, Dentist Jones."
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I've been around two people that preferred to be addressed as "doctor". One was a slimy little schemer at a former IT startup that did everything he could to make himself look more important. He even had them reprint his business cards to add "Ph.D." after his name. He was a worker bee, but he started referring to himself as an officer of the company (like "Chief so-and-so Officer") and even gave an interview with some IT journal as such. I was surprised he didn't get fired for that. He's probably slimed his way through life using similar tactics since then, I lost track of him.

The other was a chiropractor I used for several years. She insisted on being address as "Dr <her first name>" even in social settings. Now, as a chiropractor she was brilliant. But outside of her profession, she was insufferable. I remember going out to dinner one time with her and her (now ex) husband, and I distinctly remember she complained about, and had sent back to the kitchen, almost everything they brought out. It wasn't done enough, or was overdone, or etc etc etc. I almost suspect she was doing it to act like a big-shot, as there wasn't anything wrong with the food.

So, based on these experiences, I've come to the conclusion that anybody who insists on being addressed as "doctor" is an insecure little sh!t.

I address people as "doctor" as a sign of respect if I know they have a medical or doctoral degree, and if they're deserving of that respect. I would have continued to address that guy at the gold course as "mister" several more times just to piss him off.
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