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Old 01-26-2016, 10:36 AM   #61
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If hes smart he will ride off into the sunset with Brady 2-3 years from now, but I doubt that he does. Very few coaches have retired while still winning.
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Old 01-26-2016, 10:45 AM   #62
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He also won 11 games with Matt Cassel as his QB. With Brady he would have won one or two more games that year but the point is he can still make the playoffs.
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The moderators created this thread, transferring the argumentative/hate posts over here from the NFL 2015 thread--then no one takes them up on it.

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I'M GLAD THE CHEATNG PATRIOTS AND THE CHEATING TOM BRADY AND CHEATING BILL BELICHICK LOST!!!!!

(A thread is a terrible thing to waste).
If they were really cheating, wouldn't you expect them to have won?
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Old 01-26-2016, 11:23 AM   #64
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If they were really cheating, wouldn't you expect them to have won?
Also, this year Brady had one of the best years of his illustrious career while playing with fully inflated footballs. He really gained a competitive advantage by "conspiring in a scheme to deflate footballs".
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Belichick has excelled at putting cheap cast off players around Brady and watching Brady make them better players. When Brady is gone, we will see if Belichick can persevere. My guess is he looks very average as a coach at that point, but if Im wrong I will eat crow.
Seems like you've had a few helpings lately. What does crow taste like?
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Old 01-26-2016, 12:38 PM   #67
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Giants fan here - yeah we sucked this year but at least we've had the Patriots number most of the time over the last 8 years. I have tremendous respect for the Patriots and saw Deflategate as a non-story tempest in a teapot. Regardless you cannot argue with their success - yeah they probably pushed the rules but that alone doesn't give you the record they have had with Brady. The Broncos found success the way the Giants and others have - by having a strong 4/5 man rush to cause Brady to hurry throws before his receivers can break open. Interesting that the Patriots offensive line coach was fired today.

IMHO as long as both Bellichick and Brady are there team will still get a minimum of 10 wins per year (which is a challenge for the Jets whom I also root for). The challenge will be (a) maintaining a strong offensive line and (b) catching lightning in a bottle and find another QB like they did with Brady, once he retires. In today's NFL Parity that is becoming increasingly difficult.
I have a good deal of respect for the Giants even though they beat us twice in the SB. I liked Tom Coughlin as a coach since his days of coaching at BC and I was sad to see him go but I think it's time for him to retire and enjoy life.

The Giants in my opinion devised the blue print on how to beat the Patriots and although teams attempted to copy their plan no team had the personnel to execute it until this past weekend. Denver had the four defensive lineman to rush Brady and hit him while they dropped 7 into coverage and jammed his receivers at the line. It also didn't help the Patriots that their starting running backs Lewis and Blount were lost for the season.

The Patriots will make changes and barring any major injuries will again compete for the AFC next year.
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The Steelers have been in the thick of things almost every year, every decade, with multiple QBs. They have more Hall of Famers, more Pro-Bowlers, more playoff appearances, more playoff wins, more Super Bowl wins....ect. The Steelers are the best franchise of all time.
Several Steelers from the 70's championship teams have admitted to using steroids including Terry Bradshaw! That's four titles right there. If the Pats Championships are tainted then so are the Steelers. Oh yeah, two other titles won by a twice alleged rapist. Bravo.
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How can you + your own post? Silly.
Over the years I've become a bit more proficient on the computer and that "+" sign is just my latest achievement. Glad you noticed.

Unfortunately, I forgot to write down the steps, so, I'm not sure if I will be able to replicate my latest achievement anytime soon.
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Several Steelers from the 70's championship teams have admitted to using steroids including Terry Bradshaw! That's four titles right there...
Perhaps we could envision these steroid-using Steelers from the 70's as simply being ahead of their time.
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Several Steelers from the 70's championship teams have admitted to using steroids including Terry Bradshaw! That's four titles right there. If the Pats Championships are tainted then so are the Steelers. Oh yeah, two other titles won by a twice alleged rapist. Bravo.
1/2 the NFL used steroids back then. Thats a dumb argument.
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He also won 11 games with Matt Cassel as his QB. With Brady he would have won one or two more games that year but the point is he can still make the playoffs.
They went from 16-0 the previous year down to 10-6 when Brady was out. They arent a 16-0 quality team right now with Brady. If Brady missed this season I seriously doubt they wouldve made the playoffs. They probably wouldve had about a 4 game drop off and been 8-8 at best. Good luck with Garrapolo.
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This is exactly what I think. Even if you manage every game to win and never bet against your team, are you more likely to treat a mid-May game like a Game 7 if you had a big bet on that one game? Will you abuse the bullpen -- affecting their chances for the next couple of days as if there's no tomorrow -- in a desperate effort to win that one game when most managers would just write it off and prepare for tomorrow? This is why the "he never bet against the Reds" argument fails to sway me, though certainly I'd think it worse if he ever bet on the Reds to *lose*.

Not saying Rose ever did that, but the potential is there, the appearance of something slimy is there, and it stains the game. Now it's unfortunate that we can't separate Rose the *player* from Rose the *manager* when it comes to Cooperstown. Because as a player he absolutely *should* be there -- but he crapped the bed as a manager by violating baseball's most sacrosanct rule, and his whole body of work matters.

I agree that Rose the player should be in the hall....


As to abusing the pen, it could have led to an injury... when I was working at mega, there was a guy in my division (worked in a different city) who had been drafted by the Yankees.... he was a good pitcher in college... one time when he was down for some reason I asked what happened... well, his coach used him too much and put him in a game they needed to win... he said he had pitched a couple of days earlier (starter) and it was cold and he did not get warmed up enough.... well, major arm damage and his pro career was over.... all so a coach could win a game....


Someone else told me he can still throw the heat, but just does not have the control or stamina he had...
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Good luck with Garrapolo.
I'll take Garrapolo and Belichick over Landry Jones and Tomlin anytime.... BTW their record following the 16-0 season was 11-5 and not 10-6
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Nonsense. The last time the Patriots lost a game by more than 10 points was 32 games ago.......They don't get crushed very often unlike the Broncos who got crushed by the Seahawks in the SB two years ago or the Cardinals who did not show up for the game last Sunday. The Patriots are a tough team that always battles to the end.
Well, they lost to Denver, so we will never know, will we? But in my opinion, they would have gotten CRUSHED by Carolina. It would not have been close.
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Hard to believe that given that they only have 2 players in the top 25 of jersey sales. BTW, wanna guess who is number 1?

Top Selling NFL Player Jerseys on NFLShop.com
Steve Young?
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I watched the Pats/Bronco's game, the only complete game I have watched since last years Super Bowl. Not an NFL fan, but love college football. I watched mainly because I do like Peyton and I know his playing days are about over. Would love to see him go out with one more SB win, but Carolina looks like the best team based on the few highlights I have seen. Not sure I will even watch the SB as I can't stand Cam Newton.
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I freely admit that Cam Newton is a great athlete (and he knows it). He sure is a cocky SOB
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Denver played a solid game and their defense played great and won the game. I was rooting for them to win the SB so Peyton gets another ring before he retires until I read on SI.com the trash talk coming from one of their players anonymously about Brady after the game.

“I tried to lay on him a few times,” said one Broncos rusher after the game. “I tried to rub my nuts on his face.”

This trash talk wouldn't have happened under John Fox or Mike Shanahan. Classless Broncos......Go Panthers.
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I'll take Garrapolo and Belichick over Landry Jones and Tomlin anytime.... BTW their record following the 16-0 season was 11-5 and not 10-6
Thats the thing. I know when Roethlisberger is gone the Steelers have a very low chance of replacing him with a franchise QB, just like any team.
You just cant face reality. Ive only seen one other guy who was as delusional as you when it came to his team and that was my Cowboy fan friend...who is a Bronco fan now because he cant take the losing anymore.

There's only been 3 times in history that a team went from one franchise QB to another. It almost never happens and its even less likely in todays salary cap world where you cant draft a QB in the first round and let him sit for a year or two while you still have a superstar at QB.

So again, good luck with Garrapalo.
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Interesting that Brady received great pass protection for the whole season, and then we see all the sacks the Bronco's had. So guess what, the Pats fired the OL coach
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