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Old 05-31-2014, 10:47 AM   #21
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When I get a new computer, I familiarize myself with the installed software, make a set of recovery discs, remove the drive and set it aside for safe keeping.
Next, I build a new lean drive from scratch with only the software that I deem useful - no redundant partitions or bloatware. This keeps my drive size small for quick copy making.
I then clone that drive and update it in parallel but with at least a one month lag. All important new work is backed up in the usual manor. I have never had a problem with this system.
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I bought a new Lenovo laptop last week from Amazon. About 30 minutes after the first logon to the internet I received a message from Windows that important updates needed to be installed, I clicked OK and was then informed that 203 important updates would be installed, 203!!! After the 203 were installed I rebooted and was told another 75 important updates needed to be installed, and so it went for the next 3 days... One important update after another until a total of 457 updates had been installed. Amazingly the laptop works great, is still lightening fast but is still needing "important updates" to be installed every other day. Microsoft should really be ashamed.
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My Generation 3 iPod Touch turned into a paperweight one app update at a time. And it seems once updated, you can't go back to the one that used to work.
Yes! This is the main reason I am avoiding iPhones and iPads and any other IOS stuff, and will go with Android/Linux(though DW and kids have different ideas).

I shared this earlier, but I was using the old iPod touch that DW got fully rebated when she bought her MacBook Pro. When it was several generations old, she wan't using it, so I started loading it up with apps that I found useful. It made a great portable internet radio, I could carry it around the house with me, and get wi-fi radio, and plug it into to speakers in that room if I wanted. And a few other useful things.

But then they start updating apps, and when I DL them, it then tells me it isn't compatible with my unit, and the old one (IIRC) got wiped out in the process. I was able to get it from a backup, but it's a little tricky.

But also, the app store only has the latest version of an app. So while maybe the earlier release would work fine on my unit, if they do any update at all, maybe just cosmetic, or something to adapt it to the new, that really would not affect the old, 9 times out of 10 I'm told that this app will not run on my older system (after I DL it! not before!). So if today you go to look for some basic app that you didn't have loaded previously, chances are it won't work, even though an older version would have, had you DL'd it when it was still available (but you didn't know about it or need it then!), Oooops, too late! That is just bad, bad, bad.


This just really pushes the obsolescence of a perfectly adequate device. No thanks. I realize, the old device can't do the new tricks, but I just want it to keep doing the old tricks. But I'm locked out!

This is not the case for Android - you can find all the old versions out there, DL what you need. As it should be. Sorry Apple, you aren't even under consideration for me, due to this silly process.

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I bought a new Lenovo laptop last week from Amazon. About 30 minutes after the first logon to the internet I received a message from Windows that important updates needed to be installed, I clicked OK and was then informed that 203 important updates would be installed, 203!!! After the 203 were installed I rebooted and was told another 75 important updates needed to be installed, and so it went for the next 3 days... One important update after another until a total of 457 updates had been installed. Amazingly the laptop works great, is still lightening fast but is still needing "important updates" to be installed every other day. Microsoft should really be ashamed.
Just out of curiosity which os do you have. If windows 7 you probably got an image with sp1 and all the updates since needed to be deployed. For windows 8 you got all the patches since the disk image Lenovo used was made. The numbers are typical if its been a decent time since the image was made.
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Apple definitely has ways of shooting themselves in the foot. But, so far being hobbled has only made them tons of money. I do wish they would make the earlier apps available.

OTOH, I had Android phones where between the phone service provider and the phone manufacturer, the updates to Android were never available. Another phone had the awful habit of rebooting at 2:00 AM every morning and waking me up with a loud 'DROID' voice (how stupid is that!]?). The phone company blamed the manufacture, who blamed Google, who blamed the phone company, and it was never fixed. At least with Apple I can go to the Genius bar and get some help.
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Chronic updating merely exchanges one set of bugs/holes for another. It's a lot of effort and disruption for little gain.
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Apple definitely has ways of shooting themselves in the foot. But, so far being hobbled has only made them tons of money. I do wish they would make the earlier apps available.
That sure is true. I think largely because people don't complain enough about this sort of thing. Some probably don't know enough to complain - it tells them they can't load that app, so they just accept it, and don't know that there is a reasonable alternative. And on the positive, Apple sometimes/(often?) does do a really good job with integration of apps, but sometimes drops the ball in major ways.


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OTOH, I had Android phones where between the phone service provider and the phone manufacturer, the updates to Android were never available. Another phone had the awful habit of rebooting at 2:00 AM every morning and waking me up with a loud 'DROID' voice (how stupid is that!]?). The phone company blamed the manufacture, who blamed Google, who blamed the phone company, and it was never fixed. At least with Apple I can go to the Genius bar and get some help.
Everything is flawed to some degree, we just have to pick our poison. But so far, I've been a lot happier with Android/Linux stuff than I am with the problems I encounter with Apple stuff lately. But that will vary with the individual, their expectations, needs, and exactly what products they buy. At least we have a choice.

The Genius bar can be a good thing, but I'm certain they could not have helped me load an old version of an app on my old generation iPod Touch.

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How about Smart phone updates? Sometimes my Android phone tells me what has been updated, other times it asks and I never update......months ago I updated a GPS program, Android switched providers taking away a free GPM and installing one that cost $1.99 month. How do all of you handle smart phone updates?
I allow essential updates to be automatically installed on my PC, but I only ever manually update apps on my android phone if I've been waiting for a fix to a known problem with the app or gives me more levels in a game (like candy crush saga). Most app updates only change ads over, so are a waste of time.
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Sounds like most of your problems have more to do with the HP updates than the Windows updates. The HP updates (drivers,BIOS) are rarely security related and may not be needed unless you're seeing problems. I would definitely select to be notified before installing any of those updates.
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I had a same problem with HP updates, so I stopped installing them.
Windows 8.1 is an other story. After my last update and reboot, I was asked to provide MS Account password - which I did not remember so I was stuck looking at the dead laptop. It offered me advice to reset my password, if only I could get the Windows 8.1 to load - it made me angry! I see how MS is loosing Windows customers to iPads & such.
I took a deep breath, looked up the MS password on DW computer; then I Googled my login problem: Change Microsoft live to a local account in Win 8.1.
Again - The first thing you have to do is get to 'Your Account screen' and simply disconnect. from the cloud ??
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My Generation 3 iPod Touch turned into a paperweight one app update at a time. And it seems once updated, you can't go back to the one that used to work.
I learned to keep a copy of the old apps from the iTunes folder. You should be able to install the old one. I've done that in the past, but I'm an android person now, so I don't recall the details.

I started keeping the old apps when I updated IMDB, and it had only added a lot of ads.
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I learned to keep a copy of the old apps from the iTunes folder. You should be able to install the old one. I've done that in the past, but I'm an android person now, so I don't recall the details.

I started keeping the old apps when I updated IMDB, and it had only added a lot of ads.
Thanks, I'll look around in the iTunes folder and see if older apps linger there.
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Very timely... Just spent too much time trying to fix a
"resolving host "
problem, that has so many causes, that there are thousands of posts, purporting to be "fixes"...

Also, an oddball Chrome problem where all other browsers are OK, but Chrome
resizes/changes resolution to 8 bit color.

... and my favorite... the formerly "great" websites for downloads are now requiring you to use their installer.. which usually pimps for other companies by sneaking in anti-virus programs, "fix my computer" programs, or othr stuff you don't want or need. I get tired of reading the "read this" agreement files which sometimes go to many pages.

Not sure where, but somewhere betweeen Elder Geek, CNet, FileHippo or similar websites, I picked up the dreaded Conduit A disease. (you'll know if you get it)

But all of these problems pale into insignificance when one tries to use the Windows Help files... In regard to my problem with "resolving host" I came upon a Microsoft forum thread... suggested as an answer. Hey... no kidding.... The customer asked about this, and followed through with the "tech"... 127 posts... every other one, suggesting a reboot, and requiring a copy of the registry file involved. Five stars for persistence for both tech and customer, but on the 127th post, the tech gave up...

enough the rant

Not germaine here, but passing on a free maintenance file for PC's that works really fast, for cleaning, repairing and general file work. Things like defragging, register cleaning and removing duplicate files and a dozen other maintenance projects... are almost twice as fast as the Microsoft, and even the most well known system maintenance files like System Mechanic and CCLeaner. Might be worth a try...
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... and my favorite... the formerly "great" websites for downloads are now requiring you to use their installer.. which usually pimps for other companies by sneaking in anti-virus programs, "fix my computer" programs, or othr stuff you don't want or need. I get tired of reading the "read this" agreement files which sometimes go to many pages.

Not sure where, but somewhere betweeen Elder Geek, CNet, FileHippo or similar websites, I picked up the dreaded Conduit A disease. (you'll know if you get it)
CNet, used to be ok. Last time I downloaded from there, picked up a root kill.

Thanks guys, I failed to see their F$@!+&£ humor.
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My Generation 3 iPod Touch turned into a paperweight one app update at a time. And it seems once updated, you can't go back to the one that used to work.
I have an update waiting for Fitbit on my iPad. It will install Chinese and Italian translations. Um, no.

I don't see a way to delete the little red update flag from the app icon on the iPad desktop without installing the updates. Grr.
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Thanks, I'll look around in the iTunes folder and see if older apps linger there.
You need to copy them to another folder or they will be overwritten.

On android, I have an app called "Easy App Backup" that does this for me every time I install an upgrade to an app (I guess I break my rule occasionally on android).
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You need to copy them to another folder or they will be overwritten.

On android, I have an app called "Easy App Backup" that does this for me every time I install an upgrade to an app (I guess I break my rule occasionally on android).
Thanks, good tip. Indeed all the apps in my iTunes folder are the latest version.
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Thanks, good tip. Indeed all the apps in my iTunes folder are the latest version.
IIRC, when you update, the old apps will be in the trash. If you catch it, you can copy those items from the trash to somewhere else where you can keep them.

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Well, my policy bit me.

I've spent 6 hours total trying to debug a problem with my bluetooth system, and the bluetooth mouse. Three separate sessions with a call center in India.

It turns out that if I'd installed all of the Windows and HP Bios updates, I never would have had the problem in the first place.
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I just got finished bare-metal re-installing DD's laptop to eradicate virus aftermath. Required 114 updates after install, didn't go well at first, had to download microsoft's update troubleshooter to fix stuff.

I keep up with the OS manufacturer's updates, windows and linux. It's in their best interest to keep your computer reliable and secure, or you'll be considering a Mac...
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