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My last new-to-me car was actually a new car. Now, almost 18 years later it is on it's last legs and I need to get a car to replace it. Needless to say, the models are all changed from 18 years ago when I bought that one.
I bought used cars before and never spent more than about 10% of my salary on one. For this current car, it was new when I got it and I planned to keep it a long time, so I spent under 20% of salary to buy it and don't regret it. But when I price new cars now, they seem so expensive. I guess they are about 25% or 30% of my (increased) salary, but when I deal with the actual dollar figure it seems so high.
Maybe my mental expectation of car prices is frozen 20 years ago? Maybe the inflation creep I see elsewhere doesn't seem as real to me when it's applied to cars? Maybe I'm that much closer to FI and find it harder to imagine spending that kind of money on a car (no matter how much needed) instead of putting it toward buying my freedom.
With some internet research, I found a few models I might like in the low $20,000 range. But when I went to the dealer, these were such low end models they didn't even have automatic transmission, which always seemed to come with the premium trim and electronics packages which quickly moved the car to the high 20's to mid-30's. Doesn't anyone want a basic car without all the bells and whistles, so the price stays down a bit? Apparently dealers think not. The "options" quickly added 50% or more to the price.
I would not consider myself so wealthy that I don't consider the price of things, but I'm affluent enough to be considering FIRE in a few years. If I balk at paying this much for a car, who is buying these things? I guess I know. The lot at work is full of young engineers with sporty full size $40K+ SUVs and Admin types with Lexus. And probably big car loans.
It looks like I'm in for a long project to narrow down possible models, then a lot of price shopping and haggling to get something I actually want for a price I think is fair. Or maybe I go back to used cars and just find something good enough for now. That was a whole different kind of fun as the used car lots I visited post no prices, so you have to ask a salesperson about each individual car you might be interested it. I remember big stickers on the windshields, so you could walk around and see what interested you. No more. I assume this is their way of discouraging looking for value and getting desperate shoppers to grab at the first workable option that they somehow stumble into.
Or maybe try for a sale outside of a dealer? I like the idea of a dealer standing behind the car - although everything I saw was posted "as is no warranty" They said that was because the warranty is from the manufacturer, not the dealer.
If I research this enough I'll figure out what to do, but looking for any suggestions if anyone has dealt with buying a new car recently.
I bought used cars before and never spent more than about 10% of my salary on one. For this current car, it was new when I got it and I planned to keep it a long time, so I spent under 20% of salary to buy it and don't regret it. But when I price new cars now, they seem so expensive. I guess they are about 25% or 30% of my (increased) salary, but when I deal with the actual dollar figure it seems so high.
Maybe my mental expectation of car prices is frozen 20 years ago? Maybe the inflation creep I see elsewhere doesn't seem as real to me when it's applied to cars? Maybe I'm that much closer to FI and find it harder to imagine spending that kind of money on a car (no matter how much needed) instead of putting it toward buying my freedom.
With some internet research, I found a few models I might like in the low $20,000 range. But when I went to the dealer, these were such low end models they didn't even have automatic transmission, which always seemed to come with the premium trim and electronics packages which quickly moved the car to the high 20's to mid-30's. Doesn't anyone want a basic car without all the bells and whistles, so the price stays down a bit? Apparently dealers think not. The "options" quickly added 50% or more to the price.
I would not consider myself so wealthy that I don't consider the price of things, but I'm affluent enough to be considering FIRE in a few years. If I balk at paying this much for a car, who is buying these things? I guess I know. The lot at work is full of young engineers with sporty full size $40K+ SUVs and Admin types with Lexus. And probably big car loans.
It looks like I'm in for a long project to narrow down possible models, then a lot of price shopping and haggling to get something I actually want for a price I think is fair. Or maybe I go back to used cars and just find something good enough for now. That was a whole different kind of fun as the used car lots I visited post no prices, so you have to ask a salesperson about each individual car you might be interested it. I remember big stickers on the windshields, so you could walk around and see what interested you. No more. I assume this is their way of discouraging looking for value and getting desperate shoppers to grab at the first workable option that they somehow stumble into.
Or maybe try for a sale outside of a dealer? I like the idea of a dealer standing behind the car - although everything I saw was posted "as is no warranty" They said that was because the warranty is from the manufacturer, not the dealer.
If I research this enough I'll figure out what to do, but looking for any suggestions if anyone has dealt with buying a new car recently.