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08-07-2014, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TromboneAl
Wrap the key in a cloth soaked in WD-40, cover the entire thing in duct tape.........
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Don't think that would be good for the circuits of new fobs.
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08-07-2014, 02:03 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2012
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If you never lock your keys in your car, and are confident you never will, feel free to ignore this post.
To close the loop, I called a small local locksmith, and they make what is called an "emergency key", no fob. It has a chip in it, so it will not only open the door, but it will start it too. $35. I'll keep it in my purse.
Problem solved! And to think the dealership didn't have this solution....
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08-07-2014, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by W2R
Would it make you feel any better to know that he would call me, too, were the situations reversed? I suppose we rely on each other for a lot of things.
Neither of us has lost our key fob ever, but I don't see why someone who did wouldn't call a spouse or SO before calling a cab.
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But of course! It just struck me as funny to see those two posts so close, and a quick CNTRL-F on this page didn't come up with any calls to 'DW'. Plus, I was confident that the females on this board are independent enough to see a little humor in it - but as they say, 'humor is a funny thing!'.
Yes, DW would likely be my first call in that situation as well.
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08-07-2014, 02:19 PM
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#24
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Originally Posted by SumDay
If you never lock your keys in your car, and are confident you never will, feel free to ignore this post.
To close the loop, I called a small local locksmith, and they make what is called an "emergency key", no fob. It has a chip in it, so it will not only open the door, but it will start it too. $35. I'll keep it in my purse.
Problem solved! And to think the dealership didn't have this solution....
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Thanks, I need to look into that for our 2011 CR-V. $35 is more like it.
-ERD50
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08-07-2014, 02:34 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Northern Ohio
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I have to say I love the smart fob.
I keep it in my pocket. I walk up to the car, touch the door handle, it unlocks as I open the door. I press the start/stop button and drive off.
When I reach my destination I press the start/stop button to turn off the car. After I close the door I touch the handle as I leave and it locks.
I can't see getting a new car without this, it's great.
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08-07-2014, 03:58 PM
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Different people are comfortable with different levels of technology, I guess.
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08-08-2014, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ERD50
The problem is they don't all act the same, so it's perplexing going from one car to another, and sometimes that complexity/confusion leads to problems.
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Right. I will never understand why humans can't appreciate the value of standards. Keyboards, screwdrivers, time of day (daylight vs. standard), measurements (metric vs. non), numeric keypads (computer vs. telephone), oil filters, tires, plumbing fixtures, power outlets, USB connectors. Don't get me started. It's just weird.
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08-08-2014, 02:10 PM
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The only time I use key fob is when the door lock is frozen over with ice. This in spite of generous dose of graphite lube in the lock.
Then hope the fob will actually work.
Saves squattin' next to the door and blowing hot air into lock while gently freezing my butt off in the process.
In days of yore when I smoked, the lighter came handy in heating up the key to unlock the frozen door. In the winter I generally try to remember to carry a Zippo for the purpose. Newer cars not having rain gutters also tend have the door frame gaps packed with ice, the ice scraper inside the car on the seat looking at you, while trying to figure out how to chip the ice with gloved hands.
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08-08-2014, 03:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TromboneAl
Right. I will never understand why humans can't appreciate the value of standards. Keyboards, screwdrivers, time of day (daylight vs. standard), measurements (metric vs. non), numeric keypads (computer vs. telephone), oil filters, tires, plumbing fixtures, power outlets, USB connectors. Don't get me started. It's just weird.
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I think people do appreciate standards, I think they just don't complain loudly enough when a product violates standards. Or some just don't notice, at least not consciously.
When I 'upgraded' the OS for DW's iPad, I had to go on-line to figure out why the camera controls seemed to work so erratically. Turns out, you don't just tap the control icon like every other app since the start of GUI and touchscreens, you touch the icon, and drag the icon to a little triangle to make that the active icon. WTH? No hinting on this, it was totally weird.
But worse IMO, 3/4 of the people asking about this, when it was explained to them, didn't get mad at Apple for a bad design, but just said "Oh, Thanks - so that's how it works!".
I know you've ranted about standards before, maybe we should start a new thread on this? While there are issues, there are some good reasons (and some not so good reasons) behind many of the apparently competing standards. Some of the duplication is stupid - the NIH syndrome, or a twisted attempt to lock in users. But many can be explained.
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08-08-2014, 09:40 PM
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#30
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Originally Posted by ERD50
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I'm pretty sure that if DH lost his key or locked it in the car (if he could, which he can't since it is one of the fobs that starts the car) that he would call me. As a married woman with a husband it seems pretty normal to me that I would call the other person in the household who has a key to the car....
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08-09-2014, 08:41 AM
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#31
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Originally Posted by ERD50
Some of the duplication is stupid - the NIH syndrome, or a twisted attempt to lock in users. But many can be explained.
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Couldn't agree more, non standard behavior in applications, connections..... drives me insane. I've had a couple of rental cars that I actually had to walk back to the counter to ask, how do I start this thing?
I've seen so much NIH in software it makes me ill. Megacorp actually had two different application transport mechanisms for client/server applications. The reason, they were developed by two different teams, from a common prototype. While they provided the exact same functionality to the application layer, you had to do major rework to the app to replace one with the other.
I was part of a group that presented the application to a SR. analyst from the Gartner group. After a few questions the analyst stated "I smell NIH, how much more of that is in your app, you must eliminate it".
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08-09-2014, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Katsmeow
I'm pretty sure that if DH lost his key or locked it in the car (if he could, which he can't since it is one of the fobs that starts the car) that he would call me. As a married woman with a husband it seems pretty normal to me that I would call the other person in the household who has a key to the car....
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Ah, yes, a year or so ago I dropped my keys on a Chicago street and watched them slide oh so slowly gracefully down the sewer grate just under my locked car. Only one other person, whose name is on the car title with mine, had the other key and it wasn't Gloria Steinem.
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08-09-2014, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Bestwifeever
Ah, yes, a year or so ago I dropped my keys on a Chicago street and watched them slide oh so slowly gracefully down the sewer grate just under my locked car. Only one other person, whose name is on the car title with mine, had the other key and it wasn't Gloria Steinem.
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Prior to this, I was considering another weak attempt at humor, something about one gender perhaps losing their 'funny bone' as a consequence of the feminist movement. But that old adage about 'stop digging' made me think better of it.
So thanks for re-affirming that females do have a sense of humor - I absolutely laughed out loud at that one!
And my apologies to anyone offended by my earlier post, that I thought included enough context to be deemed in-offensive. Awww, on second thought - just grow a pair!
('Grow a pair' - get it? - it's a gender joke! Awww, never mind! ) Now what was I saying about 'stop digging'?
But, back to the point - carrying a spare key in a wallet is a real benefit when you do something like drop a key/fob down a sewer or otherwise misplace it, damage it, or whatever. And these large fobs make that somewhat more difficult and expensive, so there is a negative versus the positives of convenience.
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08-09-2014, 11:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ERD50
I know you've ranted about standards before, maybe we should start a new thread on this? While there are issues, there are some good reasons (and some not so good reasons) behind many of the apparently competing standards. Some of the duplication is stupid - the NIH syndrome, or a twisted attempt to lock in users. But many can be explained.
-ERD50
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Perhaps it is an Apple slip up. But, I have recently listened to a podcast concering iOS security. One thing Apple has done is bent over backwards to make their iOS products extremely secure. An enormous amount of encrypting goes on in the back ground when the user does even the simplest things. But, sometimes ease of use must take the back seat to security and we end up with some kludgy way of doing things.
For the geeks who want this analysis of iOS security you can find it here:
https://twit.cachefly.net/audio/sn/sn0446/sn0446.mp3
and here:
https://twit.cachefly.net/audio/sn/sn0447/sn0447.mp3
Warning! You really have to be a software geek to appreciate this stuff.
And, Yes, I am sure some stuff is just there to lock in users. Though Apple seems do lock people in more by coordinating how its products interact with each other and getting us to rely on those interactions.
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08-09-2014, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Chuckanut
Perhaps it is an Apple slip up. But, I have recently listened to a podcast concering iOS security. One thing Apple has done is bent over backwards to make their iOS products extremely secure. An enormous amount of encrypting goes on in the back ground when the user does even the simplest things. But, sometimes ease of use must take the back seat to security and we end up with some kludgy way of doing things.
For the geeks who want this analysis of iOS security you can find it here:
https://twit.cachefly.net/audio/sn/sn0446/sn0446.mp3
and here:
https://twit.cachefly.net/audio/sn/sn0447/sn0447.mp3
Warning! You really have to be a software geek to appreciate this stuff.
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I appreciate what Apple has done for security.
But that has nothing to do with the absolutely bone-headed, no advantage, no effect on anything else decision to take a common camera icon, and change it from the ubiquitous 'tap to select', to 'hold, drag/slide this icon to a tiny little triangle to make it the active mode'.
Sorry, it is not possible to put a positive spin on it. It was a mistake. And just one of many others in that upgrade - some designers at Apple, and their review process, have forgotten the principle of 'hinting' - giving the user a consistent 'hint' at what something should do. An example is the blue and underline for clickable links in these posts. We don't just need to click aimlessly to see if something has a link, it is 'hinted' consistently.
Like that.
There may be other areas where security concerns have made things a bit less convenient, I understand that. This isn't one of them, trust me on that.
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08-09-2014, 11:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SumDay
If you never lock your keys in your car, and are confident you never will, feel free to ignore this post.
To close the loop, I called a small local locksmith, and they make what is called an "emergency key", no fob. It has a chip in it, so it will not only open the door, but it will start it too. $35. I'll keep it in my purse.
Problem solved! And to think the dealership didn't have this solution....
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I guess I'm having an even-denser-than-usual moment. But I'll ask anyway. How is this better than carrying your key fob in your purse? You wouldn't ever be taking the key fob out, right?
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08-09-2014, 11:46 AM
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Location: Northern Ohio
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ERD50
Sorry, it is not possible to put a positive spin on it. It was a mistake. And just one of many others in that upgrade - some designers at Apple, and their review process, have forgotten the principle of 'hinting' - giving the user a consistent 'hint' at what something should do.
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I've been staring at the camera app and just can't figure out what you are talking about. Can you give a better hint? Not that Apple has flawless UIs, Apple makes mistakes too. I just can't figure out what you are talking about...
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08-09-2014, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mpeirce
I have to say I love the smart fob.
I keep it in my pocket. I walk up to the car, touch the door handle, it unlocks as I open the door. I press the start/stop button and drive off.
When I reach my destination I press the start/stop button to turn off the car. After I close the door I touch the handle as I leave and it locks.
I can't see getting a new car without this, it's great.
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+1!
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08-09-2014, 01:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SumDay
If you never lock your keys in your car, and are confident you never will, feel free to ignore this post.
To close the loop, I called a small local locksmith, and they make what is called an "emergency key", no fob. It has a chip in it, so it will not only open the door, but it will start it too. $35. I'll keep it in my purse.
Problem solved! And to think the dealership didn't have this solution....
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We just purchased a Honda CRV and it comes with two FOB keys plus the valet key you describe. I'll hide this key somewhere on the chassis.
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08-09-2014, 01:39 PM
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How is this better than carrying your key fob in your purse? You wouldn't ever be taking the key fob out, right?
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If I take the key (which is attached to the fob & can't be removed) out of the ignition, and fail to put it in my purse, and then lock the door, I'm locked out. The key is the fob, and the fob is the key.
Another example, last fall we were tailgating (in my old car) & got ready to walk to the stadium. DH ASSumed I was done, and locked the car using the switch on the doors and shut the door he was using. My purse was still in the car, with my keys. Luckily, I had that magnetic hide a key thing under my car so there was no murder.
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