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New NIE - Iran Halted It's Nuclear Weapons program in 2003

Here is an interesting read on USA today Opinion: Editorial Pieces & Current Events Perspectives - USATODAY.com

Per the USA Today article "A new NIE on Iran produced a very different kind of bombshell Monday. Seemingly at odds with recent bellicose statements from President Bush and Vice President Cheney, it concluded that Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003, appears "less determined" to develop nukes than previously thought and probably couldn't get one before 2010 to 2015."

This article/piece brings into question Old George W's advocacy for a World War III with Iran.

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Here is an interesting read on USA today Opinion: Editorial Pieces & Current Events Perspectives - USATODAY.com

Per the USA Today article "A new NIE on Iran produced a very different kind of bombshell Monday. Seemingly at odds with recent bellicose statements from President Bush and Vice President Cheney, it concluded that Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003, appears "less determined" to develop nukes than previously thought and probably couldn't get one before 2010 to 2015."

This article/piece brings into question Old George W's advocacy for a World War III with Iran.

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I don't think we'll attack Iran unless they test a nuclear bomb..........
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Old 12-05-2007, 09:27 AM   #3
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The good news is our president is keeping the course!

Bush: 'My opinion hasn't changed' towards Iran.
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It's good to know that Iran is at least stopping its testing. Who knows if they're bluffing though...
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Since when did americans become such pansy arses?? I mean come on we have enough nukes in our arsenal to turn Iran into glass. They might get a nuke? Please enough of the BS that this administration is yapping about. Read friedmans NYtimes piece today.

Anyhow the Iranians are not the next coming of the third Riech! They are a third world country that has oil period. The terrorists are commin that mantra since 9/11 is well getting old. Yes there are Islamic nut jobs that want anyone who are not believers to die. But being afraid is just so darn idiotic. Stop buying middle eastern oil and tell the Iranians and saudis that we are going to find an alternative to their oil. They don't build a darn thing! They would become well invisible. I mean come on wouldn't it be great to see the saudis sitting in their palaces when they are not pumping any oil that the world would not need!!
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Since when did americans become such pansy arses?? I mean come on we have enough nukes in our arsenal to turn Iran into glass. They might get a nuke? Please enough of the BS that this administration is yapping about. Read friedmans NYtimes piece today.

Anyhow the Iranians are not the next coming of the third Riech! They are a third world country that has oil period. The terrorists are commin that mantra since 9/11 is well getting old. Yes there are Islamic nut jobs that want anyone who are not believers to die. But being afraid is just so darn idiotic. Stop buying middle eastern oil and tell the Iranians and saudis that we are going to find an alternative to their oil. They don't build a darn thing! They would become well invisible. I mean come on wouldn't it be great to see the saudis sitting in their palaces when they are not pumping any oil that the world would not need!!
Show me how to stop buying Middle East oil and I am all ears.........
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Show me how to stop buying Middle East oil and I am all ears.........

He well can't.
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What bothers me is the "NIE" stands for "National Intelligence Estimate". And it is issued four years lag time.

Be the real pits to find out in next year the 2007 estimate was wrong, and the Iranians got the N-bomb in 2008!
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What bothers me is the "NIE" stands for "National Intelligence Estimate". And it is issued four years lag time.

Be the real pits to find out in next year the 2007 estimate was wrong, and the Iranians got the N-bomb in 2008!
Good thing nothing's changed in 4 years............
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I would be completely surprised if we didnt have any intelligence assets in Iran already with access to their nuke info.
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The NIE report is in line with what the International Atomic Energy Agency has stated as it pertains to Iran's nuclear program.

If I recall correctly the International Atomic Energy Agency is the same organization who tried to tell Old George W that Iraq did NOT have nuclear weapons. Just think about how many lives would have been saved and how many innocent people would not have been maimed and wounded. Maybe OUR TROOPS would not be in Iraq right now if Old George W had listen to the voices of reason.

With this being said I hope that the Congress and the American people will say NO to Old George W, Cheney, the Neacons and the advocators of WAR when they start talking about the World War III scenario as it pertains to Iran's having a nuclear program.

Why is it that the U.S can have nukes but yet the U.S does not want anyone else to have them? History already shows that the U.S is the only country who has ever used the nuclear bomb on another country. Does anyone remember the nuclear bombs dropped on Japan?

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Keep worrying about Iran, go ahead all of you scardy cats. Oh the big bad Iranian is gonna get a nuke and give it to a terrorist. Yea right on that one. Maybe someone is doing their work now and telling us the truth.

But then again China yes CHINA has nukes, has almost 2 BILLION people, owns how much of our debt?

Will have the 2008 Olympics then probably take back Taiwan, then what do we do?

China is the real threat to american way of life. Not some arab or persian from the middle east .
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Keep worrying about Iran, go ahead all of you scardy cats. Oh the big bad Iranian is gonna get a nuke and give it to a terrorist. Yea right on that one. Maybe someone is doing their work now and telling us the truth.

But then again China yes CHINA has nukes, has almost 2 BILLION people, owns how much of our debt?

Will have the 2008 Olympics then probably take back Taiwan, then what do we do?

China is the real threat to american way of life. Not some arab or persian from the middle east .
Yes, China is the real threat. But you know what Iran and Iraq are easier targets. Countries which can not defend themselves against a super power. You do not see the U.S attacking Russia, India, China and other countries who have dictators and nukes.

Old George W and company have borrowed billions of $$$ (if not trillions) from China to fund his ill conceived war in Iraq.

A debt that will be paid by our children, our grandchildren and their grandchldren. A fine debt to pass along for the future generations.

If China was to attack Taiwan there is nothing that the U.S could do because our military is bogged down in Iraq and Afganistan and because our military forces are worn down and on the blink of collapse(2 to 4 deployments for units). For this we can thank Old George W and Cheney.

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, it concluded that Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003, appears "less determined" to develop nukes than previously thought and probably couldn't get one before 2010 to 2015."
Iran Halted their program in 2003? So what the NIE said then is IRAN in fact WAS in fact working on the N-Bomb up UNTIL 2003.

So, let me see, Libya abandoned its nuclear program in 2003 too, as Saddam the butcher was tossed out on his ear. Looks like if the NIE 2007 is correct about IRAN, then that was perhaps the best reason for the US to strike a blow for human freedom an human rights in Iraq. The influence of that blow for freedom influenced IRAN's madmen and Libya's as well!

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For those who want to actually read the NIE 2007 report, what it actually says about IRAN, and what is "known" about IRAN's "intent" as to nuclear weapons, the report is here:

http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/20071203_release.pdf
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Yes, China is the real threat. But you know what Iran and Iraq are easier targets. Countries which can not defend themselves against a super power. You do not see the U.S attacking Russia, India, China and other countries who have dictators and nukes.
Since when is India run by a dictator? It's the world's largest democracy.
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Iran Halted their program in 2003? So what the NIE said then is IRAN in fact WAS in fact working on the N-Bomb up UNTIL 2003.

So, let me see, Libya abandoned its nuclear program in 2003 too, as Saddam the butcher was tossed out on his ear. Looks like if the NIE 2007 is correct about IRAN, then that was perhaps the best reason for the US to strike a blow for human freedom an human rights in Iraq. The influence of that blow for freedom influenced IRAN's madmen and Libya's as well!

God bless the USA.
Yes, per the NIE Iran halted it's nuclear program in 2003. I hope that this will keep Old George W, Cheney, the Neacons and the advocators of war from getting the U.S into a prolonged WAR that we can not WIN. There's no more troops to send. As it is they are going on multiple deployments.

As for other people halting their nuclear programs, Mr. Kim in North Korea has not and instead some countries may view having the nuke as a sure way of not having the U.S attack them. The current negotations with N. Korea are just some of the same of the old tactics used by Mr. Kim. He is only buying time.

As for the U.S striking a blow for human freedom and human rights in Iraq that remains to be seen. Let's see Iraq is in CHAOS and it's citizen's live in constant fear of getting killed, maimed, wounded or raped by the terrorist, U.S Forces and their own government. They are prisoners in their own homes. I forgot they do not have drinking water, sewage is running in the streets. electricty is a luxury when they can get it, there is high unemployment, medical system is a fisaco, the government heads which the U.S installed are incompetent, etc...etc..., etc....

The only ones that have benefited from the Iraq War are Haliburton, Black Water, the oil companies, the defense contractors, the lobbyists, corrupt Iraqi government officials, etc..., etc....

I forgot to mention that the Iraq War has resulted in about 3800 plus of OUR TROOPS being killed, an estimated 25000 plus of OUR TROOPS being maimed and wounded and an estimated 500000 plus of the Iraqi people being killed, wounded, and maimed. When will the killing stop?

Again I ask why is it that the U.S can have nukes but yet the U.S does not want anyone else to have them? History already shows that the U.S is the only country who has ever used the nuclear bomb on another country. Does anyone remember the nuclear bombs dropped on Japan?

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As for the U.S striking a blow for human freedom and human rights in Iraq that remains to be seen. Let's see Iraq is in CHAOS and it's citizen's live in constant fear of getting killed, maimed, wounded or raped by the terrorist, U.S Forces and their own government. They are prisoners in their own homes. I forgot they do not have drinking water, sewage is running in the streets. electricty is a luxury when they can get it, there is high unemployment, medical system is a fisaco, the government heads which the U.S installed are incompetent, etc...etc..., etc....
WOW!! You're definately looking at different news than I am, and I look at several different sources, liberal and conservative.
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As for other people halting their nuclear programs, Mr. Kim in North Korea has not and instead some countries may view having the nuke as a sure way of not having the U.S attack them. The current negotations with N. Korea are just some of the same of the old tactics used by Mr. Kim. He is only buying time.
Since you bring up North Korea, here is what others say as to North Korean nuclear shutdown:

U.S. Experts To Start North Korea Nuclear Shutdown By Nov.5 | December 6, 2007 | AHN

North Korea nuclear shutdown confirmed by UN - tech - 18 July 2007 - New Scientist Tech

What do you say about the info in the above links? Do these facts sway you at all?
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