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Old 10-28-2006, 05:22 PM   #21
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Did you have your husband along to restrain you?
Yes, DH was there! But, with me it is all intellectual.

Someone who is smart and gives the feeling that there is hope, not just cynical bashing of the other side is the person that I'd like to see in charge.
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Old 10-28-2006, 05:24 PM   #22
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There ya go. Hillary as Pres. Obama as VP with First Gentleman Bill as his mentor showing him the ropes and guiding him each step of the way.
Or Jeb Bush as Pres. and GW as VP with GHWB as advisor to both! Now that's keepin' it in the family!
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I did not want to dignify the previously titled Obama thread with a response, so that is why I started a new one.

DH and I went to see him last night. It was part of his book tour - it was the biggest crowd for the book tour so far.

A lot of this may be projecting on my part, but I see him as the genuine article. He seems very sincere, funny and so intelligent. I believe that he is above the partisan bickering - time will tell I guess.

He signed my book and shook my hand and smiled a beautiful smile at me - I like this guy!
Lord, have mercy!

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Saw Ed Koch on Fox News this morning predicting it'll be Clinton vs. McCain. That would be interesting . . .
I agree with Ed on very little, but this would not surprise me.

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Or Jeb Bush as Pres. and GW as VP with GHWB as advisor to both! Now that's keepin' it in the family!
I would go for this, as long as they keep Cheney and Rumsfeld.

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Old 10-28-2006, 06:17 PM   #26
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Yes, DH was there! But, with me it is all intellectual.

Someone who is smart and gives the feeling that there is hope, not just cynical bashing of the other side is the person that I'd like to see in charge.
If you see "hope" in this guy.........well, you need more help than you can receive here. OTOH, he might get elected in my lifetime. Such is the
low opinion I hold vis-a-vis the American voter. Sorry. I know how this
sounds, but I am old and have seen many politicians come and go.
Mostly whores IMHO.

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I want someone who actually understands economics and international relations, chooses wise and diverse advisors (and avoids yes-men), and shows a preference for rationality over irrationality, ethics over partisanship, and understands that what makes America great isn't rah-rah jingoism, but taking the Constitution seriously.
I SO agree with this - especially taking the Constitution seriously. I realize that as a former attorney I may be biased about this, but I think training in Constitutional Law is a big plus for someone who is in charge of the country.
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I'd like someone who can apply intelligence and good judgment to solving problems and moving in new directions, who treats all justly (no preferential treatment for the wealthy or the religious, for example), and who is capable of hiring great people and making great decisions--not necessarily a person with a specific previous job experience.

Someone who commands respect among national and world leaders--instead of in the frat house. Not someone whose father's friends/colleagues are needed time and again to set him up in business/government and bail him out of financial and governance mistakes. I want someone who actually understands economics and international relations, chooses wise and diverse advisors (and avoids yes-men), and shows a preference for rationality over irrationality, ethics over partisanship, and understands that what makes America great isn't rah-rah jingoism, but taking the Constitution seriously.

I don't know yet if Obama is this person, but I do know that he's a lot closer than the guy we're stuck with at the moment.
lol.... then why don't you start an "I hate bush" thread? Obama is not a serious candidate.
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Obama is not a serious candidate.
Why do you say that? Just curious. I haven't decided if he could really make it, but I'm wondering why you say he isn't a serious candidate.
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Why do you say that? Just curious. I haven't decided if he could really make it, but I'm wondering why you say he isn't a serious candidate.
DISCLAIMER: this is just my opinion, so save the vitriol for someone else who gives a ****.
I think he is the flavor of the month for the media. He has no executive experience, less than two years in the senate, and is a virtual unknown outside of the hardcore political types and his home state. He was crushed by Bobby Rush when he ran for Congress in 2000 with less than 30% of the vote.

Maybe in the future he can become a viable candidate, but as things stand today he lacks gravitas.
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You may be right, Alex, but I'm kind of thinking that's maybe who can win right now - someone without some long political history to give ammunition for attack. We'll see. Thanks for the response!
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why don't you start an "I hate bush" thread? Obama is not a serious candidate.
Maybe because I don't hate Bush--he's just an ordinary man (at best), a dreadful President, and positive proof of the Peter Principle.

In any case, someone who doesn't believe in global warming or the dangers of high cholesterol probably wouldn't like any candidate of the Democratic persuasion, particularly scientific, rational ones
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Astro, I always think our quotations look funny when they are quoted back to back.

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I SO agree with this - especially taking the Constitution seriously. I realize that as a former attorney I may be biased about this, but I think training in Constitutional Law is a big plus for someone who is in charge of the country.
I attended a lecture yesterday (by a guy with stellar credentials, who I
respect). He says fully 96% of law school professors are registered
Democrats, focused mostly on constitutional issues (you all know how
scary that is to someone like me). The 3+% of professors who are
registered Republicans tend to focus on corporate law. To me this does
not bode well and explains (confirms) the gradual dismemberment
of the Constitution/BOR by the judiciary. He had lots of other good stuff
but that stat really stuck with me.

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I attended a lecture yesterday (by a guy with stellar credentials, who I
respect). He says fully 96% of law school professors are registered
Democrats, focused mostly on constitutional issues (you all know how
scary that is to someone like me). The 3+% of professors who are
registered Republicans tend to focus on corporate law. To me this does
not bode well and explains (confirms) the gradual dismemberment
of the Constitution/BOR by the judiciary. He had lots of other good stuff
but that stat really stuck with me.

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This guy must remain un-named?

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Maybe because I don't hate Bush--he's just an ordinary man (at best), a dreadful President, and positive proof of the Peter Principle.

In any case, someone who doesn't believe in global warming or the dangers of high cholesterol probably wouldn't like any candidate of the Democratic persuasion, particularly scientific, rational ones
I suppose my not drinking the Kool-aid proffered by big pharma and Al Gore makes me weird? I can live with that. Personally, I think we should all question the data that we are fed. Especially when it comes from sources with an agenda.

At any rate, I do admit that there is one connection between Barack Obama and global warming, he's full of hot air, like most politicians.......
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You may be right, Alex, but I'm kind of thinking that's maybe who can win right now - someone without some long political history to give ammunition for attack. We'll see. Thanks for the response!
Well Alex, it looks like you didn't need to be concerned about vitriol.

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Well Alex, it looks like you didn't need to be concerned about vitriol.

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I am happy about that. I really loathe politics and discussing them only gets people upset, especially when the other party to the discussion is a ideologue or rabid partisan. I am a skeptic at heart.
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I sincerely hope that I am wrong and that our country would elect either a female or a black to the presidency, but I think that there are still too many "good old boys" out there.
That would be Condi Rice - and she would have a chance if she ran.
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Personally, I'd like someome with experience as an executive.
And that would be Dick Cheney - not sure you can talk him into running though!
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