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Old 03-01-2009, 11:56 AM   #41
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As I heard/read somewhere yesterday on the subject of newspapers going out of business and readers receiving the news online~ "Where do you think most of the online news comes from in the first place." Good point to ponder.
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Old 03-01-2009, 04:18 PM   #42
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I haven't bought a newspaper in years, except when away from home in a location where the internet is not easily available. I prefer to get my news and commentary on the web. Currently I have a Favourites list with approximately 20 international publications, from Reuters to the Guardian. When I am interested in a story I will triangulate the viewpoints by researching what different publications are saying about it. I'm interested in the information, not in cutting down trees and getting inky hands while wrestling with huge pages (very difficult to do elegantly in the middle seat on a plane).
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As I heard/read somewhere yesterday on the subject of newspapers going out of business and readers receiving the news online~ "Where do you think most of the online news comes from in the first place." Good point to ponder.
I'm having trouble with this. Are you saying that the online media get their news from newspapers?
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I'm having trouble with this. Are you saying that the online media get their news from newspapers?
If it is hard information, then yes, the online media gets their information primarily from the traditional journalistic sources. The opinion/editorializing they make up on their own. As far as I can tell, there's very little investigative-type reporting going on in the online media.

If the traditional pres (especially print) goes away, so do the snoops.
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So the guys at cnn.com sit around, and every 20 minutes someone goes out to the doorstep to see if the paper has arrived.
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A new mix of content and product to deliver it will emerge. All media is dependent on advertising. Print will survive in some formats and some markets. Online will grow. Online will also go well beyond computers to other electronic feeds on smart phones and pda's as it is today. In the end a paradigm shift will take place between all of these as well as radio and tv. I find it exciting, but think the print side will still have a place. The subscriptions don't pay for much...advertising makes it all possible. Local vs. national news needs are different. Citizen journalism is growing with blogs, etc. In the end a well run media product will emerge. Some of the print media in trouble hasn't embraced the future enough or had simply too much debt and too much staff. Also 2 paper markets have been a failure waiting to happen for years. Anyway...my 2 cents worth...a lot of change, but also opportunity ahead.
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In today's NYTimes:

In Denver, Residents Lament the Closing of a Newspaper

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The kitschy restaurant, decorated with an assortment of vintage lunch boxes and toys, had the one remaining large paper in town, The Denver Post, to offer customers. There were not many takers — and not because diners were carrying a torch for The Rocky.

“I don’t know anyone my age who has time in the morning to read a newspaper,” said Chris Olivier, 37, a retail manager who said he gets his daily news from dozens of Web sites and a few niche publications circulating in specific Denver neighborhoods. “It’s sad to see such a huge part of our state’s history lost, but the market is moving, and newspapers haven’t moved with it. They don’t get the Web.”

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The Rocky’s passing was unfortunate, [Linda Maier, 61, an administrative assistant at Denver Water] said — particularly because she thinks one of its reporters, Jerd Smith, did an outstanding job of explaining Colorado’s continuing water woes and keeping the local authorities honest.

“She really knows her stuff and wrote things people didn’t always want to hear,” Ms Maier said. “But they were the things that needed to be said.

“I hope she finds another way to tell those stories because I’m afraid they won’t be told without her.”
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A small group of Rocky reporters who huddled one last time in the Denver Newspaper Agency’s building on Friday wondered about the absence of reporting, too, as their readers fled to the Web.

“They want the amount of print you would find on a cereal box, which is what you get online,” said Mike Pearson, 49, a features writer and editor for The Rocky for 21 years.

“They want headlines only and graphs that summarize everything without going into a lot of analysis. And they feel entitled to even the most complex and sophisticated news coverage for free.”
We seem to have a front-row seat to an historic event.
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“They want the amount of print you would find on a cereal box, which is what you get online,” said Mike Pearson, 49, a features writer and editor for The Rocky for 21 years.
Has this guy ever been online?
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I am sortof a talk-radio junkie too. It is amazing how much radio commentary is driven by various local and national newspaper stories. If the source is NY Times, it is cited to give authority to the piece. Often it is USA TODAY which is usually not cited, but I recognize the piece if I've browsed the publication which is distributed free at most hotels.

Also, most of the weekend roundtable talking head shows feature newspaper journalists from around the country. Right now, Im watching a daily cable sportscast called Washington Post Live.
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“They want headlines only and graphs that summarize everything without going into a lot of analysis. And they feel entitled to even the most complex and sophisticated news coverage for free.”
Well, it wasn't the consumer who sat in the corporate boardroom and decided to give away all their content online. And yet it sounds like they are blaming consumers for consuming free services instead of paying for them. Yeah, that's the ticket.
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Learned a neat trick with our local paper ... cancel your subscription and wait 30 days. You'll get a "please come back" offer: $26 for the next year's delivered service. The Sunday paper alone is $2/wk (DW loves the coupons).

So I've been playing this game with them for 2 years now (quit, renew, quit ...).
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Learned a neat trick with our local paper ... cancel your subscription and wait 30 days. You'll get a "please come back" offer: $26 for the next year's delivered service. The Sunday paper alone is $2/wk (DW loves the coupons).

So I've been playing this game with them for 2 years now (quit, renew, quit ...).
I love your game. It is simple, yet it is larcenous. Newspapers are desperate and will do anything to keep the ship afloat.

Congrats on figuring out a way to bankrupt your local fishwrap.
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Here in Phoenix, the SUN has gone to a newer, smaller format. I bet they are saving 20% on paper and ink. The paper isn't as as big as it used to be, but it is much easier to read on a plane.

DW and I like to sit in front of a sunny window on Sunday morning and read the paper front to back. We look forward to the time together. I already spend too much time in front of my computer; would not want to add reading the newspaper to that.

As an avid reader, I looked into a Kindle for books- too impersonal. I abhor video games, and the Kindle struck me as one. I'll budget for books, and buy what I want. I have hundreds, and have given hundreds more away over the years- I was recycling long before it was the thing to do.

As for the eco-aspects, most newsprint is already recycled, and has been for many years. Many books now contain recycled paper as well. I think one can easily get carried away on the whole eco-nazi bandwagon, and find eco-faults with nearly everything; ie tap vs bottled water, driving vs/ public transportation, bicycling vs/ walking, Kindle vs. books, even choosing a big energy- sucking PC vs reading everything on a tiny cell phone screen. People all have preferences when it comes to their lifestyles, and we stilll need creature comforts. I prefer the warmth of printed media to the coldness of another electronic gizmo. And I like having my hands covered in ink when I finish the paper on Sunday AM; it makes me feel like that task is complete and I can move on to something else.

I hope that newspapers survive in some form. To think that news will only come from the internet is disconcerting at best, and has ominous overtones.
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I prefer the warmth of printed media to the coldness of another electronic gizmo. And I like having my hands covered in ink when I finish the paper on Sunday AM; it makes me feel like that task is complete and I can move on to something else.

I hope that newspapers survive in some form. To think that news will only come from the internet is disconcerting at best, and has ominous overtones.
Yea, I need something to clean windows with. The kindle just does not crumple well, would leave schmears all over the place. And too expensive to toss.
Besides what'll I use for fish wrap?
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I grew up on the Washington Post. I used to deliver it as a teen and read it everyday. The content has gotten sloppy. Lots of grammatical errors is very distracting to me. Over the course of three yrs, the price for the daily went from .25 to .35, then to .50 and now .75 plus .05 tax....ouch! Some claim the latest increase was caused by declining circulation due to <free> online access......
Our local paper, the Aridzona Republic, seem to have gotten ride of a lot of their non local reporters. A lot of the articles they print have Washington Post bylines, not just in the news section but even the real estate section (an article on using St. Joseph statues to sell houses).
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As Cities Go From Two Papers to One, Talk of Zero

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The history of The Seattle Post-Intelligencer stretches back more than two decades before Washington became a state, but after 146 years of publishing, the paper is expected to print its last issue next week, perhaps surviving only in a much smaller online version.

And it is not alone. The Rocky Mountain News shut down two weeks ago, and The Tucson Citizen is expected to fold next week.
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The top papers in many markets, like The Star Tribune in Minneapolis, The Philadelphia Inquirer and The New Haven Register, belong to companies that have gone into bankruptcy in the last three months.

The owners insist they have no intention of closing publications, but the management making those assurances may not be in charge when the companies emerge from reorganization.
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