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Old 01-11-2015, 08:09 PM   #921
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The Colts deserve a lot of credit for going to Denver with the intention to stopping the run because they knew Manning can no longer throw with any velocity.

The Broncos have been masking his deficiencies by running the football for the last 6 weeks. Manning's record is now 11-11 in the playoffs. Great regular season QB but always underperformed in the playoffs and tonight was no different.
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Old 01-11-2015, 08:15 PM   #922
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Here we go. No catch but bad rule:

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Of course not because there is no need for them. You might argue so and so made a bad call in a particular game but the rules in those sports are straight forward and don't need tortured explanations from people with a PhD in contradiction.
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Cowboy fan here. Sure seems like it was 1) a catch or 2) a bad rule that needs to change.

However, that's the way it goes and sometimes you get the breaks and sometimes not.

I'm now rooting for Seattle. I love Russell Wilson. And I love and fear the legion of boom. They are great. They talk smack but sure back it up. That Cam field goal jump block was nothing short of awesome.

I don't like Seattle fans attitudes including the ones on this board. But I get it. If it was my team I'd be full of it too.

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Could you kindly point out the bad "attitudes" of Seattle fans on this forum?
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I figured that might get a reaction.

I didn't say bad attitudes. Just attitudes. Cocky, boastful, hubris. Of course your team backs it up.

Don't get disturbed by my comment. I'm admittedly jealous my team has no legion of boom.

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Okay, now that you admitted that your post was largely based on jealousy, I am less offended.

Seriously, I've tried very hard not to come across as an insufferable homer. But when you team is THIS good (after an eternity of mediocrity) it IS difficult.
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My picks are Pats (though I think the Ravens will play them tough as they usually do), Seahawks (in a romp), Broncos and Packers. I predict that the last two will be tight games.

Of possible upsets, I think Indy upsetting Denver is most likely but as a Pats fan, Baltimore makes me uneasy.... I would have rather played Indy.
I had it close to right except I thought the Seahawks would win bigger than they did and I thought Denver would prevail but an Indy upset was quite possible. And I guess I get my wish to play Indy, so we'll see. I really like Andrew Luck and the Colts organization but will of course be rooting for the Pats.

While I understand the call in the Cowboys game, it seems to me that stretching for the goal line is arguably a football move. A close call indeed, and he would have been much better just going out of bounds and not trying to score. Rogers better get some miracle therapy in the next week for the Packers to have a prayer.

I think the call on the punt reception in the Indy game was the right call. It looked to me like the receiver had possession and control holding the ball against his stomach until he hit the ground at which point the ball came loose. Whether he was conscious when he hit the ground is a separate question.
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I've always been a Manning fan but maybe it's time for him to quit tossing passes on the football field and stick to tossing pizza's at his Papa John Pizza franchises.

We may have just seen him in his last pro game... Then again, maybe not
I don't understand why people are saying Manning is done. He was one of the 5 best QBs in the NFL this year. He may be slipping but more than half the teams in the league would love to have him take the place of whoever they have now.
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I don't understand why people are saying Manning is done. He was one of the 5 best QBs in the NFL this year. He may be slipping but more than half the teams in the league would love to have him take the place of whoever they have now.
If greatness wants to stick around until they are mediocrities, that's up to them, but I think I'd rather be remembered as an all-time great, as a winner, as one of the best of the best. That said, it's not like I can relate to his situation personally.
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Let's see, caught the ball, transferred it to left hand, lunged for the goal line. That's not a "football move"?


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I had it close to right except I thought the Seahawks would win bigger than they did and I thought Denver would prevail but an Indy upset was quite possible. And I guess I get my wish to play Indy, so we'll see. I really like Andrew Luck and the Colts organization but will of course be rooting for the Pats.

While I understand the call in the Cowboys game, it seems to me that stretching for the goal line is arguably a football move. A close call indeed, and he would have been much better just going out of bounds and not trying to score. Rogers better get some miracle therapy in the next week for the Packers to have a prayer.

I think the call on the punt reception in the Indy game was the right call. It looked to me like the receiver had possession and control holding the ball against his stomach until he hit the ground at which point the ball came loose. Whether he was conscious when he hit the ground is a separate question.
While watching the Colts/Broncos game, Mike Carey (CBS' version of Mike Pereira) said, the initial ruling of loose ball should have stood as the returner who got clobbered didn't have possession, because, you guessed it "he didn't make a football move" .

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Let's see, caught the ball, transferred it to left hand, lunged for the goal line. That's not a "football move"?


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It didn't look to me at all like he was lunging for the goal line. He never had his feet under him and never had his body under control. I would say his momentum carried him towards the goal line as he fell.

The rule about having to make a football move has been in effect since 2000. I'm surprised that it surprises everyone. Don't you remember Calvin Johnson in the end zone a few years ago?
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Taking it one step further. Of course, one can't say for sure, but I bet if Dez had hit the goal line when the ball hit the ground, the ruling would have been TD as the ball crossed the plane. No matter how many replays and calls upheld or over ruled, there still is the subjective element, which makes the game fun to watch.
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Taking it one step further. Of course, one can't say for sure, but I bet if Dez had hit the goal line when the ball hit the ground, the ruling would have been TD as the ball crossed the plane. No matter how many replays and calls upheld or over ruled, there still is the subjective element, which makes the game fun to watch.
I wondered about that too because of a runner fumbles or loses control of the ball after crossing the plane it doesn't affect the touchdown, but I think the ruling would have been the same even if he crossed the plane because he would have to make a catch and then cross the plane and as they judged it, he didn't make a catch.

It was clear that the ball did not cross the plane (by about an inch or so) but I don't think it would have made a difference in the call. The only difference would have been the ire of Dallas fans and Packer foes.
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While watching the Colts/Broncos game, Mike Carey (CBS' version of Mike Pereira) said, the initial ruling of loose ball should have stood as the returner who got clobbered didn't have possession, because, you guessed it "he didn't make a football move" .

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Yeah, I heard what Mike Carey said, I just think he is wrong (as did the refs on the field).
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Yeah, I heard what Mike Carey said, I just think he is wrong (as did the refs on the field).
The refs overruled the call on the field of possession to the Broncos. I thought obviously, Cribbs didn't have possession in this case.

I actually agree more with saying the Bryant play was a no catch than the Cribbs play as him having possession.
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Unless you're a Cowboy fan I don't see how you say Bryant made a football move. He never had his feet under him.

The fumble by the punt returner in the Denver/Indy game was a horrible call. That guy couldn't tell you what state he was in let alone make a football move. I have no idea how he was ruled to have possession.


My problem is that they seemed to be using the same 'rule' for both of these plays and the rulings were the exact opposite...

Bryant took a few steps before hitting the ground while he appeared to reach for the goal line... hit the ground and lost control of the ball.... so no possession....

The punt returner caught the ball and was hit hard... he was out cold before he hit the ground.... when he hit the ground he lost the ball... but, he had possession and was down by contact... (I saw NO football move here... not even one step)....

I do not see how the NFL can square these two calls when you compare them against each other..... and both were reversed on replay....



Hey.... just ran across this on Yahoo.... says the same thing I did (I had not read this before posting)...

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With regards to the refereeing...

Watching an NFL game now... is similar to watching the Olympics.
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It didn't look to me at all like he was lunging for the goal line. He never had his feet under him and never had his body under control. I would say his momentum carried him towards the goal line as he fell.

The rule about having to make a football move has been in effect since 2000. I'm surprised that it surprises everyone. Don't you remember Calvin Johnson in the end zone a few years ago?
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