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Old 01-25-2015, 09:04 AM   #1201
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As a change of pace from deflated balls, did anyone hear about the Colorado inmate who is suing the NFL over the Dez Bryant call

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As a change of pace from deflated balls, did anyone hear about the Colorado inmate who is suing the NFL over the Dez Bryant call



Jailed fan suing NFL for $88 billion over Dez Bryant non-catch vs. Packers - CBSSports.com

I think I'm due compensation for mental anguish for being a Texas Ranger/Dallas Maverick/Dallas Cowboy "fan" all these years...


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He has a good idea, doomed to fail. Hit the league where it matters to them $$$$. I'd love to see SB ratings fall, I know it won't happen. But it would send the right message

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A little n=1 experiment:

One football, "regulation" but not a game ball (don't need a $100 football...).

Inflated to 13psi at 71F, then set outside on the patio table for 30 min. Outside temp 43F.

Pressure now 11psi.

Admittedly, a SWAG, using a $7 hand pump/gauge, of dubious accuracy/precision.

Numbers is hard, but my rough calculation yielded a theoretical 12.2psi.

I would add that there wasn't much difference in feel between 11 and 13...


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Did you put a bunch of balls on one side of the table and a bunch on the other and try to see if at any point all of the balls on one side of the table stayed inflated while the other balls miraculously deflated?

Maybe half of them actually inflated... ;-)

I'm pretty sure there was some intent, but I wonder how common it is for balls to be "just so", depending on the QB. Several former QBs have chimed in, commenting that they like balls a certain way, though Troy Aikman seems adamant that the QB had to know, and that severe punishment is necessary.

Obviously, the Pats are well-hated, so this is one more instance of "cheating". Funny that the refs handled the football the entire first half without noticing, which leads me to believe that the balls were not different enough to attract their attention.

And, as I mentioned, there wasn't much difference in the grip on the ball between 11 and 13, so unless the damned things were near flat, it's hard to see any competitive advantage. I could comfortably grip the ball at 13, and Brady's hands are likely larger than mine, given he's four inched taller.

Be that as it may, intentionally breaking rules, even ones generally ignored with a wink and a nod, damages the integrity of the game...


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We're on to Seattle.............
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I saw the official SB49 program at my local Safeway for $15.00 Friday. Almost bought it. Then saw that Costco was selling tons of them for $10.50, so picked one up. It's pretty nice.
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We're on to Seattle.............
Seahawks are just now about to leave the VMAC for Arizona, with thousands of fans lining the streets to cheer them on. It'll be all over local TV. Go Hawks!

Edit: Here's the video of last year's trip from the VMAC to Sea-Tac airport:
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Seahawks are expected to arrive in Phoenix at around 1 pm Sunday and Patriots at around 3 pm Monday. A Super Bowl XLIX hologram type thing already lights up the stadium at night.


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Just curious, did anyone watch any of the Pro Bowl yesterday?
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Whether it explains the current controversy or not...this post is not an attempted to address this one.

I am sure there are QB's who like the ball soft, and their equipment guys legally inflate the team balls to 12.5 psi, most likely in the locker room where ambient temp is around 70F. When it's cold outside, once the balls acclimate (30 minutes) they are less than 12.5 psi, could be substantially less when the temp differential is large.

I am sure there are QB's who like the ball hard (Rodgers is on record), and their equipment guys legally inflate their team balls to 13.5 psi, again in a locker room. When it's really hot outside, once the balls acclimate they are more than 13.5 psi, though the temp differential on the up side will never be as great as cold weather situations, so the discrepancy won't be as large.

IOW, there have been deflated balls many times over the years, and there have been over inflated balls as well.

There's no ambient temp specified for pre-game psi testing, though the league may believe the 12.5-13.5 range may help mitigate that variable. And I wouldn't be surprised if the league wants QBs to have some latitude with how the ball feels, another reason there's a range of acceptable.
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I think Belichick in his press conference did a good job as a defense attorney . That is, to offer up an alternative line of reasoning. Another possible cause that of who (what) done it.

It will be interesting to see what the NFL says and if they take any action whatsoever after their findings.

About the psi changes. If the psi did change by almost 2 psi, the peculiar outcome is out of 24 footballs, 11 of them, all from the Pats weren't in the proper range.

Unless of course, the Pats followed the rules by having them at the minimum psi, but the Colts over inflated their balls which then the psi dropped to an acceptable level under the temperature conditions. Hmm, the cause for deflategate is either on the refs, temperature, or the Colts
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The Patriots have pulled off a public relations coup. Watching the national news today on several networks, there was no mention of the Seahawks at all. Lots of talk about inflated footballs, the Pat coach and QB. And that's it. One would think that the Super Bowl will be nothing more than a scrimmage between two strings of the Pat players.

I realize the news media is extremely East coast centric, but they have really shown it this past few days.
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The Patriots have pulled off a public relations coup. Watching the national news today on several networks, there was no mention of the Seahawks at all. Lots of talk about inflated footballs, the Pat coach and QB. And that's it. One would think that the Super Bowl will be nothing more than a scrimmage between two strings of the Pat players.

I realize the news media is extremely East coast centric, but they have really shown it this past few days.
But the TV stations need an irritation meter to show how irritated the Pats will get when asked again and again about ball deflation
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About the psi changes. If the psi did change by almost 2 psi, the peculiar outcome is out of 24 footballs, 11 of them, all from the Pats weren't in the proper range.

Unless of course, the Pats followed the rules by having them at the minimum psi, but the Colts over inflated their balls which then the psi dropped to an acceptable level under the temperature conditions. Hmm, the cause for deflategate is either on the refs, temperature, or the Colts
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Very interesting...and there won't be total agreement as some say the balls can't deflate buy that much during a game.

Deflategate: The Science Behind the New England Patriots Scandal

Definitely, there are variables and the QB's prefer the footballs a certain way.
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Very interesting...and there won't be total agreement as some say the balls can't deflate buy that much during a game.

Deflategate: The Science Behind the New England Patriots Scandal

Definitely, there are variables and the QB's prefer the footballs a certain way.
Meanwhile, Warren Sharp argues: 'The New England Patriots Prevention of Fumbles is Nearly Impossible' (suggesting this may have been going on since 2007):
The 2014 Patriots were just the 3rd team in the last 25 years to never have lost a fumble at home! The biggest difference between the Patriots and the other 2 teams who did it was that New England ran between 150 and 200 MORE plays this year than those teams did in the years they had zero home fumbles, making the Patriots stand alone in this unique statistic.
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If you had (or have) a chance to see last night's (Jan. 27) "The Late Late Show" on CBS, hosted by Regis, you will hear David Letterman's suggestion for solving the football air pressure "scandal": use a brick.

He also answers the ubiquitous retirement question, "What will you DO".
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If you had (or have) a chance to see last night's (Jan. 27) "The Late Late Show" on CBS, hosted by Regis, you will hear David Letterman's suggestion for solving the football air pressure "scandal": use a brick.

He also answers the ubiquitous retirement question, "What will you DO".
Funny how Letterman was questioning the whereabouts about the future host of The Late Late Show.

The latest on the "scandal" is a Patriots locker room attendant is a person of interest who is shown on a video tape taking all the balls into a bathroom and disappeared from the video for about 90 seconds. I think deflategate is turning into "taking a leak gate" .

Personally, I don't think 90 seconds is enough time, I don't think the attendant did anything to the footballs. If there was tampering, that was don't elsewhere. He probably just had to take a leak. and didn't want the footballs out of his possession.


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Patriots locker room attendant a 'person of interest' in Deflate-Gate saga - Newsday
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